> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:44:39 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Lion Kuntz <lionkuntz@email.com>
> Subject: The Most False Statement
>
> This below is the Most False Deceptive and Misleading Statement I Have ever seen on SANET-MG. The
> implications of this statement are that somewhere between one million years ago and 12,000 years ago
> the entire Tropical Ecology suddenly mutated into existence, and did not have any prior existence.
> You are very explicit with the statement "post-glacial" phenomenon.
Lion, every thing on this planet is a "post glacial
phenomena".
So why does that mean Bart claims everything "suddenly
mutated into existence". This is a creation of YOUR mind and
this all or nothing type of thinking is consistent with that
exhibited by a childlike mind where things are black and
white with no shades of grey. It readily illustrates a lack
of what is considered adult reasoning as you are obsessed
with hyperbole upon even casual examination of your post.
An adult would ponder shades of grey rather than create an
extreme and judgemental personal attack paradigm. It seems
you want to hurt Bart, not speak to rain forest soils as he
is attempting to. This is not about Bart, it's about the
Amazon Rain Forest. Duh.
> <BART> The major point of my first post is that because the Amazon
> <BART> forest is largely a post-glacial phenomenon, it is
> <BART> disingenuous to say that the health of those soils is
> <BART> inexticably linked with the forest. In the humid tropics,
> <BART> most organic matter is stored in *living* plants, rather
> <BART> than in the soil. Soil in the Amazon was probably far
> <BART> healthier *before* the rain forest developed, since the
> <BART> climatic conditions producing the rainforest are not
> <BART> generally good for soil.
>
> For reasons still unknown, the Earth entered into ice ages for the first time approximately
> 1,000,000 years ago, with large portions of the Northern Hemishere engulfed by vast ice sheets up to
> a couple of miles thick.
> To a much smaller extent, the southern hemishere suffered glaciations, but
> in no way comparible to the north.
So here you are trying to create a paradigm that comparison
to the northern hemisphere causes no impact on the Amazon.
Bad logic. Bad science. No doughnut.
> The tropics carried their "ARCs" of life through this holocaust
> intact.
Again ALL or nothing. ALL survived. Nothing was lost or
changed or impacted. This is the all or nothing child
speaking.
> The tropics were refuge for human beings during the 100,000 years of stone-tool development.
> For possibly 35,000 (or more) years humans have been in the Amazon.
Since Eskimos live in the polar regions the polar regions
are a rain forest? Your proof leaves a lot to be desired
here in terms of logic.
> Nothing advanced by any school of "evolutionists" has ever supported such a rapid sudden appearance
> of diversity of life as is stored in the rain forests.
This "rapid and sudden appearance" is a product of your
thinking. I suspect you don't even understand what Bart was
trying to say and I suggest your design is to beat others up
rather than create understanding and bridge building. I am
starting to believe you are an abused person.
> The cornerstone of evolution "theory" is that
> gradual changes over eons of time produced the modern profusion of life.
Wrong. Cataclysmic changes are allowed also. You are
ignorant of evolutionary theory. Time for some quality
library time Lion.
> Your counter-theory is that
> as little as 12,000 years, or even as few as 1,000,000 can produce the entire South American fauna
> and flowering.
Nope, this is your theory and your childlike projection into
Barts mind. He wasn't talking about evolution or your
underwear size or your cars oil change either. He was
talking about soil. I am really getting to believe you are
an abusive person. I regret it must be a product of abuse
you suffered as abuse is usually a learned habit.
> In order to sustain your theory you have to invalidate virtually every important principle of
> physics (radiation, atomic decay, radioactive dating, atomic composition) AND chemistry
> (fossilization, microbiology, genetic identification) AND geology (tectonic plates, vulcanism,
> sedimentation) AND biology (radiative adaptation, speciation). In order to win some minor brownie
> points for online debating you have falled to perceive the lessons to be obtained by the Amazon and
> other rainforests.
Not his theory, YOUR theory Lion. You created these thoughts
and claim they are logical. The all or nothing basis of your
thinking is not an adult perspective. If you investigate
Bart's position he is not involved in extreme personal
attacks on anyone. You and Roberto often engage in snide and
abusive personal slander when you do not agree with
someone's views. Both of you have been personal and abusive
with Bart. This is intellectual crap.
> You are leading others into error and misdirecting them from obtaining the
> insights you refuse to obtain.
Here you imply Bart has no insights of value. Only Lion has
the correct thoughts. All or nothing, childish thinking that
tolerates no viewpoint other than ones own.
> You could profit a lot by deep study of "deep ecology" which informs the spirit that all flesh is
> connected and important. Humans have identified cell technology (9x2 microtubules made of tubulin
> proteins of identical composition) used by fungi, bacteria, plants, animals and humans. The clear
> relationship of all life is a marvel and a wonder which can never be known to "human supremists" who
> fear to know their own origins.
> You have been intellectually consistent in your messages, and I have read them over a long period of
> time. Outrageous errors of statement and beliefs have been traced to a consistency of character
> which opposes enthusiastic investigations of ecology and ecological agriculture.
This is another way of saying Bart opposes bad science. Good
for Bart! You puke gobs of rhetoric and use scorn and
ridicule as a glue in an attempt to win an argument that
Bart never was arguing about. You are off on a tangent not
remotely related to the subject of rain forest soil. More
abuse. Your childhood must have sucked!
> Sadly, you have
> obtained a punishing position as "organic farm inspector" over people who publically you do not
> like, publically you do not respect, and publically you do not understand.
Again you seem to need to project your hate and disrespect
into anothers mind. Have you considered reconsidering your
shame based and abusive way of relating to others? You are
not even speaking to the point Bart was attempting to make
Mr. Kuntz.
> No matter how much intelligence you believe you have, the absurdity of your statement has
> illustrated deep flaws in your educations, which can be remedied by humility and application of
> generous amounts of time at quality libraries.
>
> Signed: Lion Kuntz
I suggest you spend quality time at libraries educating
yourself on the subject Bart was speaking to, RAIN FOREST
SOILS, and then get your head out of your.. well you know. A
swelled head in an anal retentive situation will provide a
high level of potential energy.
The kinetic resulting noise would be deafening. POP!!!!!
Then you can practice introspection - an adult practice you
seem to be incompetent at.
Or you can continue to act in a childish manner, name call,
take extreme positions, project irrelavant thoughts of your
own creation into an individuals head where those thoughts
never existed. Like Roberto you accuse a list member of
something never said or meant. I believe you owe an apology
for your outrageous and immature screaming and abusive
behavior.
Or not.
Marc S. Nameth
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