Re: the electrolyzed water

From: Klaus Wiegand (WIEGAND@lufa-sp.vdlufa.de)
Date: Mon Jul 03 2000 - 01:14:40 EDT


hello steve,

>the rbti theory suggests that plants live off the energy
>released by elements as they enter the plant from the soil and
>air, not off the elements themselves "per se." in other words
>reams was concerned with increasing the energy, or magnetism, of
>crops through the use of specialized fertilizers.

and i (like the overwhelming majority of the scientists) thought,
that plants do gain their energy from light quantums by
chlorophyll... reams thinks, that chlorophyll is redundant ??
where can i read more on his theories? you have sources or are
you also looking for them yourself?

like humans plants also fights permanently against
oxydation stress. simultaniously the high energy of the light
quantums is destroying the very sensible cell structures of the
plant. that's why the plant protects itself and builds up and
incorporates a certain carotinoid in its membranes, which
reduces oxydative damage in the cells. (btw: in humans the
same process takes place: in the eyes - which HAVE to be sensible
to light - you'll find the highest amounts of these same
carotinoids. and it's them, which prevent a premature blindness of
your eyes.

that's the reason, why we have to learn more about these
secondary plant products like carotinoids, flavonoids, saponines,
glucosinolates, sulfides, lycopenes, tannines, vitamines and
minerals. and two things are SURE: humans can make much better use
of them by natural food than from muesli bars or microwave-ready
food and the fresher the food, the better.

so it might be wise to take a look at the generally accepted and
chemically up-to-date map of "chemical pathways" from merck.
where might i get a sound explanation of the behinds of "energy
released by elements" ??

>however, reams use of these two terms differs from their common
>usage in soil chemistry, wherein an anion is a negatively charged
>ion (no3-1, po4-3, so4-2) and a cation is a positively charged
>ion (nh4+, ca+2, k+, mg+2).

'listen - strange doctors lying in ponds distributing swords is no
basis for a system of government!'
  - monty python and the holy grail (slightly modified)

> and the strongly reduced water. the oxidized water has strong
> sterilizing power useful for medical use resulting reducing
> chemicals. about 10,000-20,000 dollars costs to set the water
making
> system.

what ? 20,000$ for 2 electrodes (30$ both incl. cables), a
current transformer (100$ for a stabilized! one), 2 fittings
(15$), a pipe (50 cent) and electronic parts worth 3 dollars ???
add 50$ for public relations, company internal administration,
another 40$ for taxes, 200$ for fedex and add up with a net gain
to a total of 2000$. so what are the other 18,000 for ?

    DIETARY SUPPLEMENT: THE RETURN OF "VITAMIN O." In 1998, Rose
    Creek Health Products ran ads for "Vitamin O." Whazzat?
    "Stabilized oxygen molecules in a solution of sodium chloride
    and distilled water." The FTC was notified; they charged the
    supplier with fraud and the company was shut down. This week
    we see a new oxygen supplement, BiOxygen, offered by Beverly
    Sassoon & Co., http://www.bsassoon.net. And just what is
    BiOxygen? "Water, sodium chloride, and activated oxygen
    molecules." One difference: a two ounce bottle of BiOxygen
    costs $34.95, compared to only $20 for "Vitamin O." The
    recommended dose is again 15-20 drops, twice a day, or
    roughly 0.0000002% of your minimum daily requirement for
    oxygen. http://www.aps.org/WN/

not having mentioned the problem, that these oxidized water tools
might work, but not efficiently enough for the needs of a farmer.
there are a lot of alternatives in plant protection. the problem
for the average farmer is, that given the reproduction rate of
these germs, a 40% efficiency against them or against insects
(esp. storage insects) isn't way enough to fight the disease and
avoid tremendous economic losses. i know of farmers, where a loss
of 5% means the difference between gain and loss of money. that's
esp. valid in vegetable farming.

this _rbti_ reminds me on the bio resonance machine ((c)
scientology aka ron hubbarth). take two metal cans, join them
with a wire, add a simple conductivitymeter and sell this "bio
resonance machine" for 3,000$ to therapeuts.

hubby's dianetics: the modern science of mental health.
[published by the american saint hill organization, los angeles.]
the book is the "bible" for scientology. hubby tells his reader
that dianetics "...contains a therapeutic technique with which
can be treated all inorganic mental ills and all organic
psycho-somatic ills, with assurance of complete cure...." (p. 6)

now visit one of these therapists, who owns such a machine. he'll
put one of the cans onto your stomach region, fix the other to a
"black box" with the conductivitymeter and some other quite queer
electronic parts (not allowed to be opened!! by loss of garantee
and legal prosecution). then the therapeut will tell you in a low
voice: "you have a problem!" (on what you might anwser: "Idiot!
that's why i'm here at you!!!". calling him an idiot is covered
by his 300 $ bill on the usage of the magnetic resonance machine!)

back to serious discussion: please understand me right: there
might be some effect and it was me, who wrote (and thus also
believed), that according to kellog some hospitals make use of
such a device for desinfection (i HEARD of that before).

the same goes for a simple magnet, by which you let your drinking
water current by. the producer claims, that the magnet can reduce
water hardiness. almost every physicist will tell you: "rubbish
!" because we spent an awful lot of money for dehardening lab
water we invested these ridiculous 50$ and tested it in our lab
and found a reduction in free residual sodium carbonate (no
enormous effect (just 20-25%) and not enough to "unharden" our
drinking water, but the effect is clearely existant! proven by
repeated measurement by photometer and gas chromatography and a
lower conductivity). so my answer to the physicists is an "ok, if
you say so, it won't work" with a smile, because i know better by
own experience (the physical "law" behind that magnet is
explained in the sheet sold with the magnet, but is not accepted
by conventional physical laws). these magnets are sold for 50$
and that makes a difference of 19,950$ !

consequently: before you pay 20.000$, you better ask for proof
or a free personal testing !! free oxygen MIGHT not only hurt
bacteria, but also the before intect epidermis of the plant and
make it _more vulnerable_ to infections than before... as far as
i've heard, hospitals use that water only (as with chloric acid)
on equipment and for disinfecting rooms, but not on human skin !

klaus

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