The Brazilian rain forest is a highly emotional subject.
High levels of emotions scare me when it comes to taking
sides as science tends to take a back seat to feelings,
profit potential, groupies, thrill seekers and such.
I have to agree with Mike Miller that this is a situation
that begs for fraud and profiteering since kneejerk
reactions are vulnerable and will be widespread rather than
cool heads. Just look at the burgeoning files related to
hoaxes that abound on the internet.
There are good reasons to be pro rain forest and THERE IS
good science regarding a pro rain forest position.
Marc S. Nameth
> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:20:27 +0100
> From: "Bluestem Associates" <bluestem@webserf.net>
> Subject: Brazilian forest scam ...
>
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:57:42 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> >This is most likely another one of those email scams used to get your
> >individual email addresses and political preference information from a
> >group listserve. This is what the DELETE Key is for. Mike Miller
>
> This is perhaps a good point at which to remind people that Patrick
> Moore of Greenpeace recently held a news conference during which he
> rather thoroughly debunked most of the hysteria regarding the alleged
> disappearance of the Amazon rain forest. Moore, in conjunction with
> some other environmentalists and the Brazilian Ministry of Environment
> (?) collaborated to study series of satellite images in order to
> determine the actual rate of disappearance.
>
> In the end, the actual rate is many orders of magnitude less than the
> numbers set forward by rain forest activists. Moore as much as said the
> whole thing was a scam to raise money for those groups, while the
> reality on the ground in Brazil is far, far, different than that
> conveyed by activists.
>
> It is also worth adding that the Amazon rain forest is only about
> 11-15,000 years old in any case. It *hasn't* been around forever, and
> soils in the region seem to have managed just fine for millennia before
> the rain forest ever came into being. To state that "the soil in the
> Amazon forest is useless without the forest itself " is patent drivel.
>
> There *are* certain tropical soils, called CAT clays, which because of
> strongly reducing environments and other factors harden into brick on
> exposure to air. In fact, these soils are cut into blocks and used as
> building stones in some parts of the world.
>
> Bart
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>
> Date: 25 Jun 00 10:48:01
> From: Roberto Verzola <rverzola@phil.gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: Brazilian forest scam ...
>
> I am starting to wonder which message is the scam...
>
> - -- Roberto
>
> >On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:57:42 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> >
> >>This is most likely another one of those email scams used to get your
> >>individual email addresses and political preference information from a
> >>group listserve. This is what the DELETE Key is for. Mike Miller
> >
> >This is perhaps a good point at which to remind people that Patrick
> >Moore of Greenpeace recently held a news conference during which he
> >rather thoroughly debunked most of the hysteria regarding the alleged
> >disappearance of the Amazon rain forest. Moore, in conjunction with
> >some other environmentalists and the Brazilian Ministry of Environment
> >(?) collaborated to study series of satellite images in order to
> >determine the actual rate of disappearance.
> >
> >In the end, the actual rate is many orders of magnitude less than the
> >numbers set forward by rain forest activists. Moore as much as said the
> >whole thing was a scam to raise money for those groups, while the
> >reality on the ground in Brazil is far, far, different than that
> >conveyed by activists.
> >
> >It is also worth adding that the Amazon rain forest is only about
> >11-15,000 years old in any case. It *hasn't* been around forever, and
> >soils in the region seem to have managed just fine for millennia before
> >the rain forest ever came into being. To state that "the soil in the
> >Amazon forest is useless without the forest itself " is patent drivel.
> >
> >There *are* certain tropical soils, called CAT clays, which because of
> >strongly reducing environments and other factors harden into brick on
> >exposure to air. In fact, these soils are cut into blocks and used as
> >building stones in some parts of the world.
> >
> >Bart
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