----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <london@metalab.unc.edu>
To: Steve Groff <sgroff@epix.net>
Cc: Ted Rogers <TROGERS@ars.usda.gov>; <Aquatfs@aol.com>;
<sanet-mg@cals.ncsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Organic Loop -Reply
I was going to write in and ask you what exactly you meant by that, merely
as a clarification of your way of thinking, not neccessarily a challenge. I
think I'll leave it be, after this reply. I want to put it out on record
that this kind of response to challenges to the organic industry I consider
unwarranted and definitely not a good path toward any kind of cooperative
means of understanding. I also don't want this kind of response to be
considered a representative of organics. Different methods and approaches
by a multitude of individuals are what makes this list informative. We
should all use a little grace in our dialogue.
Michaele Blakely
Growing Things
certified organic grower
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Steve Groff wrote:
>
> > Ted Rogers wrote:
> >
> > > Sustainable and organically grown are becoming
> > > less compatible terms by the hour.
> > >
> >
> > Ted is right. In the context of sustainability, organic agricaulture is
too
> > restrictive to allow for ideal sustainable expression. It's not a bad
system by
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I doubt you can back that one up. A lot of fancy words saying exactly
> nothing. Its "farmers" like you who have tainted the term, coined years
> ago when it truly meant organic, regenerative, natural and permanent,
> sustainable agriculture; and now you can't let organic agriculture be.
> You should consider a career with the Hudson Institute. I've watched your
> pompous pronouncements here for years about how wonderful using roundup
> is in achieving a "sustainable" form of agriculture. Pure BS.
>
> > any means, but should not be held up as the ultimate goal of
sustainability.
>
> Organic _used_ to be "the ultimate goal of sustainability" until money
> hogs of your ilk got into the act.
>
> >
> > --
> > Steve Groff
> >
> > "Enhancing (??) the Environment With Roundup"
> > http://www.cedarmeadowfarm.com/
>
>
>
>
> > Cedar Meadow Farm
> > 679 Hilldale Road
> > Holtwood, PA 17532 USA
> >
> >
>
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