Below is what I understood Sal to be saying. I edited his text slightly to make it appear the way I
was "getting" what he was "saying". His orginal text is in the archives at:
Go to your customers: The wholesalers, the retailers, the consumers. Tell them that the
intrusiveness mandated by them, mandated by these regulations should be universal. That you should
have the right to inspect them, inspect their homes and workplace, and if they are harmful to the
environment (using prohibited substances) decertify them from buying organic food. Ask them to live
by the same standards that they are imposing on you by their marjority-will enforced by men with
guns through their government. If they don't like the intrusiveness, make them tell their government
it is running amuck and out of control.
<SAL> ------Original Message------
<SAL> From: "sal" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
<SAL> To: "Wilson, Dale" <WILSONDO@phibred.com>
<SAL> To: sanet <email@example.com>
<SAL> Sent: April 26, 2000 11:27:19 PM GMT
<SAL> Subject: Re: "Organic" rip-off
<SAL> One thing I don't understand Dale, is that they regulate me,
<SAL> whereas GMO stuff can contaminate mine, and mine will not
<SAL> contaminate gmos. They regulate the contaminated, and let
<SAL> the contaminator skate. What's with that?
<Lion> Sal, there is no sense in arguing directly with Dale Wilson.
<Lion> He has made it clear he is siding with the group which intends
<Lion> to make the Monarch Butterfly (beloved by millions) extinct
<Lion> in his lifetime by single-minded devotion to "Science without
<Lion> Ethics". He is a vocal member of a group who recklessly has
<Lion> allowed totally predicatible side-effects to be suffered by
<Lion> others for academic or lucrative employment benefits. There is
<Lion> no conscience to appeal to; nobody home in the "ethics" part
<Lion> of his person to pursuade. His record has been published to
<Lion> the internet, can can be found on www.Deja.com, or the above
<Lion> listed Sanet Archives. His recorded words have condemned him.
<Lion> Our goal is not to preserve a word "organic", but to defend
<Lion> ourselves from the intrusive threats of "Science without
<Lion> Ethics", "Government without Ethics", and "Business without
<Lion> Ethics". All three are linked together, and you have pointed
<Lion> out how they come together in the "Mugging of Organic Farmers"
<Lion> in broad daylight, in front of eyewitnesses, of these very
<Lion> biased and unfair regulations. You do hurt your cause by not
<Lion> taking a little more care looking over your letters before
<Lion> you send them, because very good ideas of yours are buried
<Lion> in the unbroken mass of words in run-forever paragraphs.
<Lion> If you don't want people to get what you are saying, why
<Lion> bother writing in the first place? If you want your message
<Lion> to grow like seeds in the minds of the readers, sow them
<Lion> with the same care that you sow your field.
<SAL> GMO can cross over and infect me; I have to give up land,
<SAL> because GMO move. If I ship something with GMO in the truck,
<SAL> those products can contaminate mine, not the other way around.
<SAL> We should regulate the polluters not the folks getting polluted.
<SAL> I don't understand this.
<SAL> If there is drift of pesticides or herbicides or Gmo (pollen)
<SAL> we lose. I will never drift into your fields and contaminate them.
<SAL> The government wants to make US suffer because YOU release GMOs
<SAL> and can't control them. Whats with that?
<SAL> If just a little bit of your GMO's flour gets mixed with mine,
<SAL> I am no longer NON-GMO or organic, yet we are the ones regulated.
<SAL> What is with that?
<SAL> If just a few grains of GMO corn get mixed with my corn, I lose
<SAL> my load, and it is no longer organic, yet what kind of law is that?
<SAL> And the USDA burdens us while GMOs are contaminating every thing
<SAL> they touch. It is a rip-off of the organic farmer to justify your
<SAL> "no label", "no control", "no regulations of GMOs".
<SAL> The USDA wants to say "if you don't want GMOs, buy organic" instead
<SAL> of making the Gene jockeys keep their thing straight. I think if
<SAL> you don't want GMO, check the label. If the poor organic grower
<SAL> can label, so can the gene jockeys. the regulation is going on the
<SAL> wrong folks.
<SAL> We need to just move this organic standard over to the GMO standard.
<SAL> You take the inspections, you take the extra paper work, you and
<SAL> yours take the tracking for 5 or 10 years. Follow those GMOs.
<SAL> More regulations on the GMOs! Lets do this right. Lets make ALL
<SAL> those that grow food make a farm plan, not just the few organic
<SAL> growers, and have an inspector check them out and residue test
<SAL> ALL farmers!
<SAL> If I can't be trusted why should I trust any farmer? Look at
<SAL> the chemicals in our drinking water. That is enough reason for
<SAL> forced inspection and checking all farmers books, and state and
<SAL> federal regulations on all farms get to get standardized, and should
<SAL> be certified, inspected, and etc.!
<SAL> Why should any one trust any farmer? Or is it just the organic
<SAL> grower you don't trust?
<SAL> Run that by me again: whole countries want to label GMO; a whole
<SAL> lot of folks don't trust it; so how do you get away with what you
<SAL> are doing? Where is the USDA? Our protectors are checking the
<SAL> organic growers! The organic growers don't have the money behind
<SAL> them, and are easy targets! How can they get away with this rip-off
<SAL> when the USDA says "organic is not safer"? Is it just a rip off?
<SAL> Why if "it is no better"? WHY?
<SAL> I say it is safer. They say they are doing it to make a level
<SAL> playing field. I do not see a level playing field here! Look,
<SAL> the cost is not level. Every state is different. The certification
<SAL> is not level, because we can still certify to higher levels and
<SAL> they can charge what they want. The folks that export already need
<SAL> certification. Folks that sell wholesale already need to be
<SAL> certified. Why they doing this to us? They are killing off the
<SAL> small grower. For what?
<SAL> Taxing the organic grower, and letting the chemical grower and
<SAL> gmo grower skate. No way! Whatever you make me do, you have to
<SAL> make ALL farmers do! That is a level playing field!
<SAL> I have a right to farm also. We will let those same inspectors
<SAL> and labs check gmos out and all farmers out! That is a level
<SAL> playing field.
<SAL> We always get the short end because we are small players, but this
<SAL> is not fair, and a extra burden on the organic grower, just because
<SAL> he does not use synthetics and lab-made dna-changed gmos or
<SAL> irradiation or whatever does not sound right to me!
<SAL> Why should I who has not used anything for years go through all this
<SAL> when the chemical farmer uses everything and does not have the extra
<SAL> burden? Why?
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