>I think I may be missing something in the translation here, but
>the last time I checked, Salmonella was now present IN the egg,
>not just on the surface. If it was only on the surface,
>pasteurizing the contents would not be needed. Surface treatment
>of the shell would suffice.
i said: the inside is not the problem! the bacteria do not
multiply there or with minimal rates. the trouble starts, when
you beat the egg. but it can start much earlier, when the germs
are on the outside of the egg.
btw: how do you pasteurize eggs ?. pasteurisation means 10 min at 60-
70 degrees C, the proteins get denaturalized, the egg yolk isn't
liquid any more.. or is this another test from nevada's military to
get rid of their radioactive waste ??
>quality and encourages the growth of pathogens. The farmers have
>absolved themselves of the responsibility of producing quality
>foods, and have externalized the cost and responsibility to the
>consumer for "fixing" poor quality foods.
oh noooo!! the farmers haven't absolved themself. i get the
impression, you never heard of the farm crisis !!! giving up
one's company usually means: you don't get enough for your products
to support the maintenance costs.
the farmers have always produced, what the consumer desired. they
wanted fat pork, they got it, they wanted lean pork, they got it,
they wanted beef meat the pound for the price of 5 minutes work,
they got it. me as a farmer do NOT feel responsable for producing
"healthy", "wholesome","viable" food for an hourly wage, which on
some farms have fallen below one dollar an hour!!! while everyone
of the citizens needs a new chevy, they expect the farmer to go
with his old ford t for some other years.
>I fully agree that the consumer should bear some responsibility
>for consuming wholesome foods, but not the in the manner
>currently presented. In a misguided drive for cheap food,
>consumers are buying the low cost, poor quality, contaminated
that's it ! but who guides them ?? they themself. they are too
avaricious to spent their money on food. instead they prefer to
spent it on cars, holidays, trendy cloths... could they decide
it, they would spare the whole costs of food in favor of some
other luxury. that's their problem, not mine ! and that's what I
understand, when i said personal responsability.
>propagation of pathogens does not make for wholesome, life
>sustaining food. Wholesome foods do not support the growth of
any proof for that ?. i always hear these 2 words "wholesome" and
"healthy" (resp. "life sustaining"). tell me as a farmer: what do
i have to do to produce food like that ? what is "wholesome" food
and some questions to your mailing before:
>The issue of pesticide residue levels and their toxicity is only
>the tip of the iceberg. The real question is: what is it about a
>crop that pesticides were required to stave off predators? There
>is a school of thought that believes that insects are nature's
>recycling troops and destroy crops that are not suitable for
>consumption higher up the food chain. You could say they are
>nature's Q.C. department.
SOUNDS convincing. but you know, there is another school full of
questioners, that asks why insects should refuse the more
suitable and energetic higher food and do not make a jump forward
in the food chain ? why should they refuse the "healthy" plant
with more minerals, more protein and leave it to us? there is
still another school who asks : where in nature would you find
100000 maize and wheat plants or 500 cauliflowers on a small
field plot? would you prefer (purely economically) to buy your
food at the store, where you find everything close together or do
you prefer to walk through the woods finding another berry bush
while realizing, that by walking to that bush you just consumed
the energy you took up at the last bush ? is your assumption of
insects eating food suitable for "higher" animals also valid for
honey bees? would you eat honey ?
and the school of thought digging even deeper came up with the
following question: for what reason has nature EVER produced
these extremely large wheat and maize kernels row beside row ?
ever asked, if billions of locusts are really choicy about their
food ? or why 60% of the world harvest is lost to insects and
decay and why these insect have the kindness to destroy what
according to your opinion is not suitable for humans leaving the
poor africans simply nothing ? thank god this nothing would have
been the more suitable part for them..
ever asked, why most insects are extremely specialized and are
not the least interested in the weak plant next to it ? ever
asked why i can predict with 80-90% certainty, which seed a corn
weevil will attack, when i put a wheat, an oat, a maize, a rye
and a barley seed close together (no matter from which field
these seeds come)?
or ever asked why calamities come in annual waves, when at time
of egglaying it isn't known, which conditions will be found ?
i cannot contradict you entirely and your IDEAS sound logic and
would be the ideal, but don't you think, that you expect too much
from a farmer ?? the problem "insect damage" is so complex, that
even entomologists (who need not care about machines, animal
feeding, sowing, bookkeeping by double entry, rotation aso) scrab
their head when asked, what to do...
maybe we could agree, that the "better" farmer is the one, who
does not need pesticides, because he can better foresee the
results of his attitudes and conclusions and a lot of farmers are
just quite content with the "easy way" just as someone who takes
his aspirin day after day without thinking about the real
problem. IT SEEMS CURABLE, BUT GETS LARGER INSTEAD.
logically i as a consumer buy my food at the BETTER farmer, which
favors those, who produce the same food without pesticides as his
neighbor who needs them.
> Unhealthy crops result in unhealthy animals and humans.
do they also result in unhealthy insects ? why them do insects
feed on unhealthy plants ?
>Pushing the envelope.
return to sender - logical conclusions unsufficent to convince
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