Refute these websites Andy Lee. I am still waiting for:
1) You to provide the examples of why my ideas are "worthles,
2) An apology, or
3) the jury verdict in a libel tort action.
------Original Message------
From: "Andy Lee & Pat Foreman" <goodearth@rockbridge.net>
To: sanet-mg@cals.ncsu.edu
Sent: April 6, 2000 12:56:14 AM GMT
Subject: Lion's Micro-farming fairy tale
> Two-to-Five acres is a general rule of thumb for obtaining a median income
> without excessive work-load, by a ruggedly independent farmworker who
> will not depend on hired help.
Dear Lion, I know your message was directed to Liz, but since you've placed
it on SANET rather than to her privately, I'd like to make a few comments.
First, I think your advice is worthless in many instances too numerous to go
into now. You are flirting with disaster, based on the actual level of
knowledge that you display. Your off the cuff discourse reads well, but like
a fairy tale. In reality, none of us are "rugged" enough to make $60,000 as
you claim on two acres, working alone.
>
Employees are a problem wih chicken
> slaughtering, as federal regulations do not allow farmer-processed chickens
> if they have employees. It might be necessary to maintain two separate
> businesses (including all the paperwork involved) if butchered chickens
> are offered to customers, with you alone handling the chickens.
>
Lion, please go back to school before you hurt yourself. Federal regulations
FSIS 90-492 which you are probably referring to says nothing of the sort.
> Lest anyone accuse me of promoting a "get-rich-quick" plan or "easy
> money" scheme, let me repeat what I have been publishing consistently
> for the past two years:
Lion, many of your ideas are good, but they don't fit together the way you
think they do. It would be to your advantage to spend another two years
actually practicing what you are preaching, during which time you would no
doubt discover that it's not as easy as you make it seem.
Fiberglas panels can be transparent,
> translucent, or opaque; assembled into quonset-huts, domes,
> pentagons, octogons, silo-shaped, A-frames, cubes and rectangles,
> as well as carport-type roofed open spaces.
One of the books you should consider reading is the BOCA or CABO building
codes. You cannot build legal housing from Fiberglas panels using the
methods you describe.
> I accept and welcome constructive criticism and error correction.
> If you see something in my writings which I stated badly or is
> just plain wrong, I will be happy to make the corrections and
> attribute your help in fixing the error.
>
Thank you for the invitation to speak candidly about your ramblings. If we
are to take you seriously, and I hope we will be able to someday, you really
need to try these things first. Otherwise you are simply parroting
information you garnered from books of other people's experiences. You have
no way of knowing if the parts will fit together in some grand $30,000 per
acre scheme as you claim.
Your promises remind me of a place called Kona Kia (sp?) Gardens in Berkley,
CA years ago. They claimed to be earning $50,000 (or maybe it was $250,000)
annually on 1/2 acre of grow beds. They aren't in business any more. Another
example is a lady in New England who claimed to be making $256,000 per acre
from her 1/4 solar greenhouse. She's not in business anymore, either. Then,
there's the guy in Florida who said you could make $90,000 from a 2,000
square foot greenhouse, growing annual tomatoes. He's not in business
anymore, either.
And, finally, I think of Ward Sinclair, one of America's most knowledgeable
and skilled market gardeners and finest ag writers. In one of his articles,
he wrote with great pride that he had joined the ranks of the top 1% of
America's farmers, because he had finally been able to earn $10,000 per
acre. He did that with a tractor, a rotary tiller, his wife, and lots of
hired help.
Lion, I don't think your promise of $30,000 per acre is going to happen, for
you or anyone else using the methods you describe. However, your
combinations of certain crops make sense, so you've got that going for you.
Why not take some of those combinations you've developed and put them to the
test. You can rent or borrow land if you don't have your own. Or, get
yourself hired as a farm manager some where and start demonstrating this
stuff. Once you've proven, on the ground, that your ideas work, then publish
them.
Regards,
Andy Lee
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