Re: Compost, Mycorrhize Alternative to Methyl Bromide in Strawberrie

From: sal (sals@rain.org)
Date: Fri Mar 31 2000 - 14:59:02 EST


This is not the way I heard it. what happen?

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/jan97/calstraw.htm

does not even come close to telling the story the way I heard it from Elaine
and the last lines "We've gathered some valuable information from this
research, but most importantly, we now know what doesn't work as an
alternative way to grow strawberries on California's central coast," Sances
says. "We now know that what we end up with will be a combination of organic
and chemical methods to produce the nation's strawberries in the next
century."

I don't see how the USDA would get that out of this alternative to Methyl
Bromide
sorry but I don't get it .

Elaine Ingham, Oregon State University soil ecologist, collaborated on this
research. For the 1995 field studies, they used a site that for 9 years had
been fumigated repeatedly with methyl bromide/chloropicrin and planted with
strawberries. Since these chemicals would have left very few beneficial
microorganisms in the soil, it's not unusual that even high rates of compost
and broccoli mulch didn't bring yields up to par.

look what the gave her to start off with . soil that has been fumigated
repeatedly with methyl bromide/chlorpicrin for 9 years Daaa ok make
it good again Elaine so we can stop using methyl bromide/chlorpicrin because
we know it destroys ozone. she says ok and trys compost but this land is so
destroyed that tons of compost could not bring it back as I understand it
they find if they inoculate the compost and use microbes and mycorrhize she
could bring it back real close to the yields of poison gas fields. I would
say She is great. she open my eyes to mycorrhize and the soil food web and
what a wake up call. can u all see what's it going to take to make the soil
good again after fumigating and fumigating and fumigating it.

not only that she told me she has worked with growers that never fumigated
and their yields are as as good and the life of the field lots better than
Methyl Bromide fields here in the USA. .

I think she tells the story better than this web site. I don't know who
these folks are if this is the way the USDA is going to intrepid organic
research forgetaboutit
they go on to say {Then in 1996, they tried the same treatments in soil that
had lain fallow for 3 years and had never been planted to strawberries.
Results were more encouraging: organic amendments produced yields that were
only slightly lower than the methyl bromide/chloropicrin standard.}

what slightly less yields and the soil only laid fallow for 3 years Organic
gets better with time every year it gets better so for such a short time
slightly lower yields is not bad. were talking ozone layer or slightly less
yields. that's the math that's what is at stake lets see in this hand we
have our children's ozone layer and in this hand we have slightly more
yields Daaa .as of right now the USDA picks the slightly more yields over
the earths Ozone sorry world .

I guess i read things different than the USDA
they say {This scenario spells disaster for farmers regardless of how much
they want to adopt nonchemical growing practices.}

is that your finial answer buzz you better call a friend or ask the
audience !
sorry wrong I don't see that at all just the other way around I see u
better stop using that Methyl Bromide because the longer u fumigate the
harder it is going to be when u have to give up that poison gas. organic
amendments and microbes and Mycorrhize spells the way out if u can read the
writing on the wall. that's what i see
organic growers learned a lot from this work and I mean a lot at least I did
yet going to this web page was a downer when it should have lifted folks up.
so there is a alternative to Methyl Bromide no matter how they spin it.

a little less ozone a little more money who u going to call to fix that.
if I were writing this I would have said that this shows us that killing all
the life in the soil is not good for the soil or the ozone and for slightly
less yields we should stop using Methyl Bromide and help save the worlds
Ozone so there may be less bad weather and skin cancer etc. how can we talk
about saving the Ozone to the world when the USDA still approves Methyl
Bromide for strawberries. there is a better way

Since he has used plugs for just one season, Sances says data are
preliminary, but results indicate that they will work well in an organic
production system. Yields from nonfumigated and composted soil were
comparable to those from bare-root plants grown with methyl bromide, but
more data are needed.

IMHO I don't think more data is needed I think it is time to stop using
Methyl Bromide for the sake of the whole world and thank you Elaine Ingham,
Oregon State University soil ecologist, who collaborated on this research .

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