Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 5:20:40 PM, you wrote:
s> I think microbial solutions are a great thing. I 1st. got my soil
s> Microbes from Mr. Petrik.Sr over 15 years ago and he 1st. told me
s> of the life in the soil and how to keep that life alive.
Agriculture without soil is not agriculture, and soil without microbes
is not soil. So we agree, and I appreciate your sharing these
insights, but the issue was whether the products sold by the Canadian
firm "Modern Organics" were useful. I'd never heard of them, and
someone nearby me here in Veracruz is making at least one of their
products, which is non microbial and in fact kills microbes - but it's
not for the soil (it's a post harvest disinfectant).
However, the "Modern Organics" website (which I had asked sanet folk
to look at) does show a fairly large number of microbial products, one
of which is called "Nature's Secret". Maybe I just don't like secrets
(some of their other products had rather esoteric names also), but I
didn't find much in the way of a satisfactory explanation on their web
pages either (ultradyne - the disinfectant - being a possible
exception), and what I saw looked more like an attempt to impress and
mislead than to inform in depth. (That's why I like reading YOUR
posts, sal - you get right to the point, although I wouldn't mind if
you began doing paragraphs). But in order to be "fair", I asked for
others to take a look: http://www.modernorganics.com/products/toc.html
If you get a chance, check it out and tell us what you think.
Sanet is like the game done at parties where people line up and the
first whispers something to the second who whispers it to the third and
so on. Somewhere on done the line something changes sometimes.
Hang in there, Sal.
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s> I heard that many folks brought fruit trees with them when they
s> came to Ca. and those that also brought the soil the trees grew in
s> so they brought also the microbes the trees needed and those are
s> the tress that made it.
s> Also I have been to Natural Farming conventions and have heard from
s> many growers Using EM how Microbes help them grow also how the
s> microbes keep down smell in animals keeping.
s> Also one of the wisest folks I ever heard talk on the soil food web
s> Dr. Elaine Ingham (Oregon State University)
s> told us while trying to repair strawberry fields that have been using
s> poison gas for years to kill all life in the soil and now may no
s> longer be able to use it needed to bring their fields back to life.
s> she said that it took tons and tons of compost to bring the fields
s> back as it seem the longer the growers have been using the poison gas
s> the longer it will take to make that soil good again. She also said
s> and this is the important part that using inoculated compost the
s> amount of compost was cut way down and the fields did produce as much
s> as before with no poison gas. it was the Inoculated compost that did
s> it so to me that is Scientific Basis done in the field that show that
s> microbes added to compost that is added to the fields do help and is
s> not fo fo dust but a real something.
s> Microbes can be raised organic also I always thought that if you just
s> take dirt from a healthily tree and throw it under one not so
s> healthily it may take some of those good microbes and spread them
s> around. I also feel that it does not help to put out microbes in a
s> dead soil or soil full of herbicides and pesticides and u need humus
s> to keep them alive but they do work. . anyway I feel microbes are a
s> great thing I have seen it with my own eyes I have heard from folks I
s> respect that they work and its been shown in the field to work in real
s> farming so even those some folks don't trust it i like them.
s> Also, if you feed the microbes you are raising certain food the
s> microbes carry that with them when u inoculate. and what about beans
s> and legumes that we inoculate and have been inoculating for years with
s> microbes before we plant. IMHO I like them and keeping them alive is
s> very important in the way I grow food.
s> feed the soil not the plant. Feed the soil web of life. add and feed
s> those Microbes and make your soil and plants microbe friendly and u
s> have what I use to call natural growing or organic . of course organic
s> now may mean no sun no soil and no microbes. just a cement slab ,
s> lights , rock wool and USDA organic minerals that's USDA organic . not
s> to be confused with natural farming. Because the USDA pushes chemicals
s> that kill microbes they feel we don't need them so they are going to
s> say microbes are bull but I think they the USDA are the bull.
s> sorry I may not be a good citizen for saying that and because I have a
s> mind of my own and don't agree with the USDA I have used microbial
s> solutions and glad I did and will use them again. . I feel the USDA is
s> going one way and we are going the other . and they just stopped us
s> dead by taking natural farming over and calling it USDA organic. . we
s> like microbes and soil life
s> I'm sorry about that. when I water I am watering my microbes and when
s> I feed I am feeding my microbes. The USDA bum raps the stuff I feel is
s> good and glorifies the poison stuff . they don't regard soil life and
s> they don't understand organic .
s> Sorry about that - it is Just MHO.
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