The Banana story is old hoax - forget it and discard it
and focus on real problems: there are enough of them around
Best regards
Jean-Pierre Zrÿd
mailto:jean-pierre.zryd@ie-pc.unil.ch
http://www.unil.ch/lpc
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sanet-mg-digest Monday, March 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1715
In this issue:
Re: "Modern Organics"
Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
RE: The Correct Way to Apply Bio-Technology
RE: Movin' on with organics
False Internet Report about Bananas (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/b
anana.htm)
Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Effective Microorganisms
Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
grapefruit seed extract to disinfect pinapples
Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Possible use for foo-foo dust (was: "Modern Organics")
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:11:17 -0800
RE: Movin' on with organics
Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas?? HOAX!
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:50:02 -0600
From: Russ Bulluck <lrbulluck@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Re: "Modern Organics"
I agree with both. Lots of bugs in the soil, and when properly "fed" with
green or composted manures, good things happen (including lower soilborne
diseases). One must be careful to not just throw any old crop on the land
then
till it in as green manure. Microbes are very good at utilizing and
sequestering nutrients that plants need. If a plant is used as a green
manure
with a high C:N ratio, then less nitrogen will be available to plants in the
following cropping season.
As for the products listed in previous posts. . . There is an old saying
"If
it looks like a duck, and smells like a duck, it's probably a duck." I'd
think
the same holds true for disinfectants (if it doesn't smell. . . ). If I
were
you Douglas, I'd run a test (or at least have the compound tested. Any
environmental lab could test it for iodine). Good luck with the protectant
as
well, but also be careful. . . If it does produce antimicrobials then it may
fall under the umbrella of the FDA, and you don't want to mess around with
them. OTOH, you could sell the bug to a pharmaceutical company!
Type to y'all later. . .Russ
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:53:24 -0500
From: Liz Pike <pike@always-online.com>
Subject: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Is this true??
Liz Pike
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC
>I apologize in advance if this turns out to be a hoax of some
sort........if
>it is not a hoax, it is a very good reason to avoid bananas! Another good
>reason to grow your own food! Be Safe, Mary Bufffo
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Buffo, Bob <Bob.Buffo@Wichita.BOEING.com>
>To: 'buffo@hit.net' <buffo@hit.net>
>Date: Monday, March 27, 2000 7:02 AM
>Subject: FW: IMPORTANT
>
>
>>> >
>>> > VR,
>>> > Capt Alfredo Corbett
>>> >
>>> > AF Flight Standards Agency Executive Officer
>>> > Phone: DSN 857-4702
>>> > (240) 857-4702
>>> > Fax: DSN 857-5176
>>> > (240) 857-5176
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Fwd: IMPORTANT
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Please forward to everyone you love!! I have checked the source and
>it
>>> is
>>> > >>VALIDATED FROM THE CDC. (center for disease control in atlanta
>>> georgia)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Warning:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Several shipments of bananas from Costa Rica have been infected with
>>> > >>necrotizing fasciitis, otherwise known as flesh eating bacteria.
>>> > >>Recently this disease has decimated the monkey population in Costa
>>> Rica.
>>> > >>We are now just learning that the disease has been able to graft
>>> itself
>>> to
>>> >
>>> > >>the skin of fruits in the region, most notably the Banana which is
>>> Costa
>>> > >>Rica's largest export. Until this finding scientist were not sure
how
>>> the
>>> > >>infection was being transmitted.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>It is advised not to purchase Bananas for the next three weeks as
>this
>>> is
>>> > >>the period of time for which bananas that have been shipped to the
US
>>> with
>>> >
>>> > >>the possibility of carrying this disease. If you have eaten a banana
>>> in
>>> > >>the last 2-3 days and come down with a fever followed by a skin
>>> infection
>>> > >>seek "Medical Attention" immediately.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>The skin infection from necrotizing fasciitis is very painful
>>> > >>and eats two to three centimeters of flesh per hour. Amputation is
>>> > >>likely, death is possible. If you are more than an hour from a
>>> medical
>>> > >>center burning the flesh ahead of the infected area is advised to
>help
>>> > >>slow the spread of the infection.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>The FDA has been reluctant to issue a country wide warning because
of
>>> fear
>>> >
>>> > >>nationwide panic. They have secretly admitted that they feel upwards
>>> of
>>> > >>15,000 Americans will be affected by this but that these are
>>> acceptable
>>> > >>numbers.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Please forward this to as many people you care about as possible as
>we
>>> do
>>> > >>not feel 15,000 people is an acceptable number.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Manheim Research Institute
>>> > >>Center for Disease Control
>>> > >>Atlanta Georgia
>>> > >>
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>>> > >>TCC Miami
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>>> > >>
>>> > >>
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:00:41 +0200
From: "Klaus Wiegand" <WIEGAND@lufa-sp.vdlufa.de>
Subject: RE: The Correct Way to Apply Bio-Technology
dale wilson informed me, that really admires these
enormous yields ;-))))..
SO: to all american potato growers and breeders ! you still have a
way to go!!
>Klaus,
>
>> Indeed, the Chacas parish now spends three times less on crops and
>> produces six times as many potatoes. Their 86,000 tons per acre
>> each year is on par with yields in the US and in Europe.
>
>86,000 tons/Acre is pretty good! :)
>
>Dale
>
thanks, dale. sorry, i did not read the article very carefully.
shall i ask for the address of the breeder in case pioneer is
interested in making him head of the companies highly economic new
potato branch ?
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:09:39 -0600
From: "Wilson, Dale" <WILSONDO@phibred.com>
Subject: RE: Movin' on with organics
Ronald,
Douglas wrote:
>>> Organic agriculture is simply a phase in a larger process
>>> that's far from over.
Steve Groff wrote:
>>now that's a thought....I'm ready to move on!
Ronald wrote:
> Much of what we are involved in here is a struggle for *meaning*,
> a struggle for the hearts and minds of consumers, as one food
> industry CEO put it, about the meaning of such concepts as 'food
> quality' and 'organic'.
This is what marketing is always about.
> The important thing about 'organic' is that it does have a
> meaning for consumers, now to the tune of 6 billion a year...
> It is true that there is now a food industry assault on the
> meaning of organic, lead by the USDA.
I thought that the USDA backed off and surrendered to the wishes of the
traditional organic foods community. Don't you think the traditional
meaning of "organic" food is pretty well reflected in the new proposed
definition from the USDA? Didn't the hard core organic purists "win" that
round? I'm really confused. What more do you want in the definition?
> I think you attitude is unrealistic, Steve. With industry
> aggressively pedalling their version of 'organic' nobody is
> going to hear you talking about "locally grown and sustainable".
> People will ask you, "but is it organic?" and they will want hear
> a yes or no answer. You can bet that "micro-farming", or even
> "sustainable" will never be significant food product labels
> nor have any meaning for consumers.
IMO you are confounding a marketing strategy with what is good for the
Earth. "Organic" food is a market niche that Steve doesn't really need to
exploit. He turns out good "conventional" produce in an ecologically
responsible way by good management. He doesn't need the higher price a
special label would fetch.
> ...the battle looks pretty heavilay stacked against us. But if we
> run away from the struggle to define the meaning of organic then
> they'll just mop us up, one by one.
Well, that's the way markets work. If you can't compete, then you're going
to go out of business. Your focus on the definition of "organic" is
misplaced IMO. There are well managed producers who will meet whatever
definition is elaborated, and kick-butt in the market. Consumers will get
"organic" produce at a low price, and the market share of "organic" produce
will grow.
Dale
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:30:36 -0500
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Subject: False Internet Report about Bananas (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/b
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:40:07 -0600
From: "E. Ann Clark" <eaclark@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Liz: I called the number at the end of the message, and they advised that
it was
apparently a hoax. Ann
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:44:45 -0800
From: William Evans <williamevans@home.com>
Subject: Effective Microorganisms
http://209.153.214.27/toc.htm....this link is for
" Effective Microorganisms"- designed to handle organic waste of all
types and make benign very quickly- designed around lacto fermenting
bacteria... could supplant all conventional waste disposal systems.
billevans
> If anyone knows of a product of this type with a *proven* performance
> record that actually can cover the cost of the product, I'd be happy to
> hear about it.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:54:24 +0100
From: "Chris Ward" <c.w.ward@abdn.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Totally made up.
See: http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r2k0128.htm
January 28, 2000
Contact: CDC, Division of Media Relations
(404) 639-3286
False Internet report about necrotizing fasciitis associated with bananas
The bacteria which most commonly cause necrotizing fasciitis frequently live
in the human body. The usual route of transmission for these bacteria is
from person to person. Sometimes, they can be transmitted in foods, but this
would be an unlikely cause for necrotizing fasciitis. FDA and CDC agree that
the bacteria cannot survive long on the surface of a banana.
For information about necrotizing fasciitis, check CDC's website at
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/#G. Look under "Group A
Streptococcus" which is the most common cause of necrotizing fasciitis. Or,
call (404) 371-5375.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:50:41 -0800 From: William Evans <williamevans@home.com> Subject: grapefruit seed extract to disinfect pinapples
sanet-mg-digest wrote: > > I still need to disinfect our pineapple before sealing the cut stem > with wax. .......Check this out- it works and is economical when used in bulk fform billevans http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:51:53 -0500 From: Liz Pike <pike@always-online.com> Subject: Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Thank you--knew I'd get the truth from this list.
Liz Pike Morningstar Gardens Pollocksville NC ICQ # 68142830
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:58:01 +0100 From: "Bluestem Associates" <bluestem@webserf.net> Subject: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:53:24 -0500, Liz Pike wrote:
>Is this true??
NO.
Necrotizing fasciitis is a type of Group A streptococcus, which as a class are primarily transmitted through contact with *snot.* The specific bacterium involved lives in the human body and both FCC and CDC agree that it wouldn't live long on a banana. CDC officially debunked the report in late January, but it hasn't gone away yet.
Bart
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:21:55 -0500 From: Liz Pike <pike@always-online.com> Subject: Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas??
Anne,
I called too, but couldn't get through. Thanks!
Liz
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:17:54 -0600 From: "Wilson, Dale" <WILSONDO@phibred.com> Subject: Possible use for foo-foo dust (was: "Modern Organics")
Bart wrote: > Microbial products are almost always a bad deal for the farmer. > Depending on how cranky I feel at a given moment, I tend to refer to > them as foo-foo dust, preacher sweat, or squirrel piss.
That has been my experience with field trials of such things. But there might be some niches where such things have value.
Douglas wrote: > The only product mentioned by my neighbors (as being produced under > license) in relation to what we'll need was "ultradine", which they > call a "disinfectant and sanitizer". This would be used for washing > the fruit before waxing.
Apparently that is an iodine-based material, but it got me thinking about microbial solutions to this problem. Some root-surface pseudomonads are really aggressive against fungi. These generally produce either antibiotics or siderophores (iron-removing agents). Although they often fail in the field as agents applied to seed or soil (for a variety of reasons) they may be good agents to control fungi postharvest. Or to benignly colonize sprouts. Pseudomonads are pretty easy to grow in do-it-yourself mode. They don't survive drying very well so are hard to commercialize.
There has been some promising work on this use of bacteria and yeasts. I just did a quick lit search. If you are interested in these refs let me know.
Dale
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:11:17 -0800 From: "Linda Edwards" <ledwards@keremeos.com> Subject: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:11:17 -0800
This is regarding the genetic engineering of apples situation. We do know that apple flesh is from maternal tissue i.e. is in place before pollination and as such will not contain inserted genetic material through cross pollination. However, when the flower on an non-GE tree receives pollen from a Ge tree, the seeds of the former will contain the gene in question plus the vectors used. This means in whole fruit testing and in processed product (juices, baby food etc) it will be easily detected. Also while one of the 2 sperms or nuclei from the pollen fues with the egg to form a seed, the other one combines with the nuclei from the embryo sac to form the endosperm. This endosperm produces hormones and plant growth regulators that serve as a catalyst for the development of the fruit tissue. Based on what we have heard about unanticipated secondary effects for everything from the unexpected toxin that showed up in tryptophan to the alteration of the nutrient components of soybeans, we feel no one can say at this time what differences there might be in the fruit itself because of the altered GE endosperm. It ssems to us that it is like changing the engine in your truck from gas to deisel. The truck would look the same on the outside but there would be changes in how it functioned henceforth. Some might be obvious and even for the better. However, there would also be changes that wouldn't show up for awhile and some of these might not be so benign. It is this black box that worries us. The other reason not to proceed with genetically engineering fruit is market response. Just the knowledge that fruit was from an area where GE orchards existed would be enough to get at least some buyers to look elsewhere. This can be the case for conventional as well as organic fruit. For example, there is a very successful, high end cherry industry locally. Last year two of the main buyers were Marks and Spence and Tesco in England. At best, market awareness that GE orchards existed in our area would necessitate testing. At worst it would mean loss of market share to areas where the possibility of contamination could not occur. And for organic growers, as noted before, it would mean decertification - -Linda Edwards, Organic Producers Association of Cawston/Keremeos
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:09:05 -0600 From: Ronald Nigh <danamex@mail.internet.com.mx> Subject: RE: Movin' on with organics
At 09:09 AM 27/03/00 -0600, Wilson, Dale wrote: (snip)
>Ron: >> I think you attitude is unrealistic, Steve. With industry >> aggressively pedalling their version of 'organic' nobody is >> going to hear you talking about "locally grown and sustainable". >> People will ask you, "but is it organic?" and they will want hear >> a yes or no answer. You can bet that "micro-farming", or even >> "sustainable" will never be significant food product labels >> nor have any meaning for consumers. >Dale: >IMO you are confounding a marketing strategy with what is good for the >Earth. "Organic" food is a market niche that Steve doesn't really need to >exploit. He turns out good "conventional" produce in an ecologically >responsible way by good management. He doesn't need the higher price a >special label would fetch. >
But what will motivate the the conventional grower to produce in an ecologically responsible way if he can continue to externalize environmental costs as he does now? I've never heard a farmer say he doesn't need higher prices for his crops! Organics is not only a 'market niche' (getting pretty wide to be called a "niche") it is also a (certified) committment to the consumer to farm in an ecologically responsible and healthy way. We all know it is far from perfect. The question is whether to "go beyond" and forget what organics has come to mean for the public (go beyond to what?) or stay with that market and label, and that farming system, and defend and deepen the ecologically responsible meaning that the label has come to have. I believe the latter is the only viable strategy.
Organic farmers have already had a positive impact on farming in general. Conventional farming *is* becoming more responsible, as you point out, in part because organic farmers alerted the public that there was an alternative and that we ought to pursue it. The power of those consumers to continue forcing positive changes in agriculture is only growing--which is why it is being contested by those who stand to benefit from resisting or diverting that change. I say its the only real game in town for having a real impact on the way the world farms. "Other things" may well be going on elsewhere as Douglas says, and they may be important, but they do not stand to have 1/10 the impact the organic system could have over next couple of decades. That's why I believe our energies should be going into improving organics rather than just dropping it. And improving organics may well involve shooting down OPFA in court...it may well, indeed.
Ronald Nigh Dana, A.C. Mexico, D.F. & San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Chiapas Tel. y FAX 525-666-73-66 (DF) 529-678-72-15 (Chiapas) danamex@mail.internet.com.mx
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:23:16 -0600 From: Mike Miller <mmiller@pcsia.com> Subject: Re: Flesh eating bacteria on bananas?? HOAX!
It is too bad that people with a grudge against somebody at work have to makeup stuff like this and then attach the "victim's" email and phone so they get swamped with trash calls and emails.
The DOJ should be looking into this harrassment too. Mike Miller
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