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Subject: sanet-mg-digest V1 #1594
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>sanet-mg-digest Saturday, February 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1594
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>In this issue:
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> Demographics
> Re: Demographics
> 20/20 Organic Food
> Re: 20/20 Organic Food
> Re: 20/20 Organic Food
> TV - The safety of Organic Produce
> Saving the Family Farm
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>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:08:26 -0500
>From: "Gord Hawkes" <logcabinorchard@cyberus.ca>
>Subject: Demographics
>
>Hi Saneteers. I am writing a report for our local farmers market and am in
>the process of seeking out literature which points to a growing number of
>discriminating consumers moving towards farm fresh and organic produce. I
>know that David Foot in Boom, Bust and Echo has indicated that the boomer
>population is exhibiting more discriminating consumer behaviour about food
>safety and freshness. I have also seen reports citing a new revival of
>consumer farmer relationships.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Gord Hawkes
>Log Cabin Orchard
>Osgoode Ontario Canada, eh!
>
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>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:13:59 -0800
>From: "Hook Family" <guldann@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Demographics
>
>http://www.hcs.ohio-state.edu/hcs/EM/rfmarket/rfmarket.html#b
>
>http://aesop.rutgers.edu/~agecon/agmkt.htm
>Hi Gord, Check these pages. I think I originally got to them via the USDA
>web page, direct marketing section. Love to hear what you think of the
>info. Beth
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: Gord Hawkes <logcabinorchard@cyberus.ca>
>To: <sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu>
>Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 4:08 PM
>Subject: Demographics
>
>
>> Hi Saneteers. I am writing a report for our local farmers market and am
>in
>> the process of seeking out literature which points to a growing number of
>> discriminating consumers moving towards farm fresh and organic produce.
I
>> know that David Foot in Boom, Bust and Echo has indicated that the boomer
>> population is exhibiting more discriminating consumer behaviour about
food
>> safety and freshness. I have also seen reports citing a new revival of
>> consumer farmer relationships.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Gord Hawkes
>> Log Cabin Orchard
>> Osgoode Ontario Canada, eh!
>>
>>
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>Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:08:28 -0500
>From: Dave Miller <recycler@eclipse.net>
>Subject: 20/20 Organic Food
>
>Did anyone else see the John Stossel 20/20 episode about organic food? I
>did not but I am told that the beginning focused on e-coli in meat, then
>jumped to vegetables and focused on organic being a hype. Apparently
>they asked growers who did not have great responses as to nutritional
>differences.
>
>Your comments (if you saw the show) are encouraged! As I understand the
>slant showed sprouts as having bacteria (depends upon the rinse water
>used but was not identified).
>
>A portion was devoted to using manure which has it risks and advantages
>no matter what. Since I did not see the show, did they select some
>organic farmer who used tainted manure ?
>
>In other words, can someone who saw the show fairly comment?
>
>I believe that comments can than be forwarded to:
>
>JohnStossel@ABC.com
>
>If I am incorrect, please correct........
>
>Dave,
>
>remodeler, drummer, farmer, soapmaker
>
>cutting, banging, sowing and milling!
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>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:44:54 -0800
>From: "Hook Family" <guldann@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: 20/20 Organic Food
>
>Dear Dave and list, I just finished watching it. Have already vented and
>read other vents on market farming list. It was all Dennis Avery and his
>usual "facts about organics". Already wrote Stossel and told him he got an
>F and might have wanted to do research. One of my west coast market
listers
>read our posts and said maybe she should watch it with a note book I said
>she should if she does and she gets any thing I forgot I will inform. It
>was very anti-organic. Organic twice as expensive, no more nutritious, and
>laden with E-coli. Of course they tested a few things. E-coli found on
>sprouts and bag lettuce mix of both conventional and organic some what
>higher on organic.
>Organics icky because most organic farmers use compost made with manure
>(didn't mention most all farmer use composted manure) and raw manure on
>vegetables causes E-coli. Yes they used compost and raw manure
>interchangably. Avery said compost is just a big pile which is thrown on
>garden, they don't even use thermometers.
>Organics waste land. Because you have to plant so much extra due to lose
>from weeds! Do they back this up with and yield amounts organics vs
>conventional, no.
>Only conventional farming will produce yield that could feed the world.
>Every thing Avery said was like it was gospel.
>Crap it was, it was not compost. Beth
>
>> Did anyone else see the John Stossel 20/20 episode about organic food? I
>> did not but I am told that the beginning focused on e-coli in meat, then
>> jumped to vegetables and focused on organic being a hype. Apparently
>> they asked growers who did not have great responses as to nutritional
>> differences.
>>
>> Your comments (if you saw the show) are encouraged! As I understand the
>> slant showed sprouts as having bacteria (depends upon the rinse water
>> used but was not identified).
>>
>> A portion was devoted to using manure which has it risks and advantages
>> no matter what. Since I did not see the show, did they select some
>> organic farmer who used tainted manure ?
>>
>> In other words, can someone who saw the show fairly comment?
>>
>> I believe that comments can than be forwarded to:
>>
>> JohnStossel@ABC.com
>>
>> If I am incorrect, please correct........
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> remodeler, drummer, farmer, soapmaker
>>
>> cutting, banging, sowing and milling!
>>
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>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:49:36 -0800
>From: "Hook Family" <guldann@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: 20/20 Organic Food
>
>Dear Dave and list, I just finished watching it. Have already vented and
>read other vents on market farming list. It was all Dennis Avery and his
>usual "facts about organics". Already wrote Stossel and told him he got an
>F and might have wanted to do research. One of my west coast market
listers
>read our posts and said maybe she should watch it with a note book I said
>she should if she does and she gets any thing I forgot I will inform. It
>was very anti-organic. Organic twice as expensive, no more nutritious, and
>laden with E-coli. Of course they tested a few things. E-coli found on
>sprouts and bag lettuce mix of both conventional and organic some what
>higher on organic.
>Organics icky because most organic farmers use compost made with manure
>(didn't mention most all farmer use composted manure) and raw manure on
>vegetables causes E-coli. Yes they used compost and raw manure
>interchangably. Avery said compost is just a big pile which is thrown on
>garden, they don't even use thermometers.
>Organics waste land. Because you have to plant so much extra due to lose
>from weeds! Do they back this up with and yield amounts organics vs
>conventional, no.
>Only conventional farming will produce yield that could feed the world.
>Every thing Avery said was like it was gospel.
>Crap it was, it was not compost. Beth
>
>> Did anyone else see the John Stossel 20/20 episode about organic food? I
>> did not but I am told that the beginning focused on e-coli in meat, then
>> jumped to vegetables and focused on organic being a hype. Apparently
>> they asked growers who did not have great responses as to nutritional
>> differences.
>>
>> Your comments (if you saw the show) are encouraged! As I understand the
>> slant showed sprouts as having bacteria (depends upon the rinse water
>> used but was not identified).
>>
>> A portion was devoted to using manure which has it risks and advantages
>> no matter what. Since I did not see the show, did they select some
>> organic farmer who used tainted manure ?
>>
>> In other words, can someone who saw the show fairly comment?
>>
>> I believe that comments can than be forwarded to:
>>
>> JohnStossel@ABC.com
>>
>
>
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>Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:09:17 -0600
>From: mmiller@pcsia.com
>Subject: TV - The safety of Organic Produce
>
>>Notice:
>>
>> On Friday 2/04/00 at 10 pm EST, ABC's 20/20 presents:
>>
>> John Stossel investigates the safety of organic produce.
>
>Yellow journalism at it's finest by a New Age Vicky. Predictable story
>line, predictable even down to the selection of the "expert". Watched the
>whole program just before I readjusted the tuner on my TV :>)
>
>Let's be honest now, did anybody really expect a corporate controlled
>network to put out anything other than the corporate line? Fox TV in
>Florida proved that one with the rBGH program that was quashed.
>
>The real question is when will the "Organic Produce Reform" legislation be
>introduced in Congress? Probably not this year with the elections coming
>up but next year seems likely. Mike Miller
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>Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 14:13:57 -0500
>From: Dave Miller <recycler@eclipse.net>
>Subject: Saving the Family Farm
>
>See what Dr. Heather Anne Harder feels about the family farm. Follow
>her other pragmatic views.
>
>http://www.harder2000.com/noframes/farmers.htm
>
>http://www.harder2000.com/
>
>Dave,
>
>remodeler, drummer, farmer, soapmaker
>
>cutting, banging, sowing and milling!
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