Re: Re[6]: corporations part of nature?

Roberto Verzola (rverzola@phil.gn.apc.org)
21 Nov 99 15:27:16

>CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu

>into obsolescence. The gmo thing is a classic example: These orgs can
>try to bully all they want, but no one will buy the garbage. And just
>wait until the bill for damages comes in. The rat's will all be
>looking for other corporations to hide behind, and other goodies to
>exploit. It's comic.

I didn't say they've won. But they are certainly ahead... Even in the
GMO issue, they're still ahead. After all, Americans (and Europeans)
are still eating GMO without knowing it. And in the Philippines, the
very first field-tests have just been approved.

>They are an abstraction of their own desires, with the same underlying
>needs as everyone else. (Next time you get one of those things you're
>talking about bearing down on you, look for the driver behind the
>wheel and project your message to him - he'll get the picture, if you
>really mean it. *I've* been doing it all my life).

That's exactly my point: you (and others) continue to make the fatal
mistake of thinking that the corporate legal person is human, with the
same underlying needs as everyone else. Because these monsters hide
behind a human face, we give them too much of the benefit of the
doubt, and we are beset by moral qualms about slaying them, because
we'd be slaying our own kind. I repeat: the corporation is a legal
(but not a natural) person -- distinct from its stockholders,
directors or managers. It is not a HIM, but an IT. You may be thinking
of talking to a person who has been domesticated by the corporation;
if he gets the picture (as you said), and becomes more humane but
threatens the firm's bottom line, he won't be with the corporation for
long...

>Lastly, your messages come in with no indication that they were posted
>to sanet, except in the headers that are normally hidden, and even
>there, there's nothing that indicates what mailer was used. Also, when

Make sure your replies are addressed to sanet-mg, not my address, when
you reply. I use a DOS-based locally-developed mailer (and of course a
DOS machine).

>PS. You might feel better if you could check out a couple of Rambo
>movies, even if those explicitly catered to people who would pay to
>experience vicarious rebellion, thus keeping them on the job at the

I feel good enough, and I'm involved in enough real fights, to need
Rambo movies. You say you've been doing it all your life. I'm curious:
how many corporations have you stopped on their tracks? This is
getting out of topic; let's continue in private.

>Those are rhetorical questions. Form your own corporation, draft
>your own articles and follow the hell out of them. Fight fire with
>fire. There's good ones and bad ones, like anything else.

And get trapped into the system, perhaps? I did form a corp. I
eventually concluded it is the wrong way the go. First thing they ask
you to do is give them P5,000 ($150). Then you have to open a checking
account and deposit a minimum of P20,000 (at zero interest!). If the
banking rules require 10% reserve deposits, this means the banking
system can now lend out a maximum of P180,000 from my P20,000 deposit
(180k + 20k is 200k, whose 10% is the 20k deposit), from which they
will earn 20% or P36,000 every year -- higher if the reserve
requirement is lower. From the very first step of joining the
corporate system (by setting up a corp.), I was already helping prop
it up... Every step of the way was more of the same.

By the way, if you didn't get how the banking system can earn up to
P36,000 EVERY year from my single P20,000 deposit, you'll have to
admit they've done well blinkering you as well...

Don't worry, I've not given up. Someday, we'll know how to slay a
corporation whenever we need to, as our ancestors learned how to slay
woolly mammoths.

Roberto

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