> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:33:36 -0800, Sal wrote:
> >I don't have to let anyone come and check me and decide if I am organic
> >enough. I grow by the rules and don't need any big brother watching over
> >. if you think I am lying get a searchwarrent convince a judge you have
> >reason to look. this is America I don't have to prove I am not guilty
> >year year after year. you don't ask that of chemical grower why pick on
> >why you forcing us to play these games is wrong. in some states you pay
> >in some states you pay 2000 dollars for the same verification whets is
> >about that. why do I pay more in Ca. than Ky. what is far about that.
> >the Fed. gov. and state force me to pay more here than in KY.
> >the fairness of the same prices for the same thing ? where is my robe of
> >innocence why am I guilty and have to pay to prove I am telling the truth
> >over and over again just because the year changes.
> What does a "robe of innocence" have to do with anything? We are
> talking about regulation within the *commercial* sphere, not a criminal
> And while we're at it, what ever led you to expect that regulation
> would be uniform (you call it "fair") from state to state, or even town
> to town? That sort of variation is precisely what localised (rather
> than federal) control is all about. This is America, and there is
> absolutely nothing preventing you from moving to Kentucky if you find
> the regulatory and administrative environment in California so onerous.
ok ok now I see where u are coming from.Now I understand why you called me a
crybaby .so your one of those inspectors not a builder I guess there is
more money in inspection and you have so much power and now well I guess you
know where the money is at. I feel that the inspection is the most
expensive part of the whole process. what do you get a hour? and what
other expenses do you charge the organic grower. do you think we need a
inspection every year . are there farms that u feel don't need to be
inspected every year. can you think of any way to make inspections cheaper?
I mean out here they are getting $20 and $30 dollars a hour and 3/4 pay for
the drive plus room and board . what do u charge ? we have no control how
long they take or what they charge us. what can a farmer do if he get a
power-hungry inspector that is more concerned about building a rep and his
pocket book and is making his bones by how many organic grower he can nail
to the cross. what protection does a grower have from a lying inspector. do
you think all inspectors are honest. I think you guys need more regulation
lots more regulation you all are way out of control and farmer have to pay
what u ask . If you want a raise do you just take it . who is to protect
the grower from power-hungry inspectors . tell us a little about how much
your business has grown and how much we should love regulation and expect
it. how much do you make every year can we talk with some of the folks you
did not pass and see what a great job u are doing. these organic
regulations have been very good to u. now I see why u don't like complaints
and why you say we should expect regulations hell a dog has to protect his
bone. I am trying to protect my bone and can see where u are coming from
> I've built and renovated several houses over the years, and what do you
> know --- there's variation in building codes, permit requirements, fee
> structure, and administrative burden from place to place. Big deal.
> I've also done a major renovation in a jurisdiction where there is no
> code at all or even any requirement to get a permit. I've always built
> to code (actually, way better than code). I *know* that I build better
> than code, but I don't run around being a cry-baby about permits, fees,
> and building inspections in those places where they are required.
now I see u found there is more money in bleeding the organic turnips.
> Regulations, inspections, permits, fees, and paperwork are absolutely
> normal in the commercial sphere. If you're selling food, you're in the
> commercial sphere, and you should *expect* regulation.
that's easy for u to say your making your living bleeding the turnips.
> Organic farmers, especially small growers, would do far better to stop
> moaning about organic certification --- which can help their businesses
> --- and start paying attention to the REAL threats to their survival.
this is the part i like the most reading a inspector tell organic small
growers to stop moaning over over regulation. I see were u are coming from
now. well i guess every one is justified in their own eyes. sure I can see
now why you want forced certification of every organic growers that makes
over $5000 heck your a inspector. I see what your fighting for a bigger
bone. tell me I should expect regulation inspections permits fees and paper
work you on the other end u get the fees .
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