> On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:20:31 -0800, Sal wrote:
> > why why don't you trust organic grower
> I trust organic growers. Not everyone selling food as organic, however,
> *is* an organic grower. There are a number of people who cheat. Guess
> what? They also lie. Just because someone *says* they're organic
> doesn't mean as much as it used to.
so what there are cops that cheat every group of folks have liars you don't
have to single out organic growers as the only cheats what about chemical
growers that don't use the chemicals on the crops they are supposed to be
used on . who checks out chemical growers.
> Sal, as onerous as certification can be, would you really prefer to
> have 117 customers coming out to your farm and checking it in
> sufficient detail to decide if you're organic enough? Visitors can be
> a very expensive drain on your time, and may well end up costing you
> more that writing out a check for the certification agency. We got
> around it by limiting visitors to one field day per year.
I don't have to let anyone come and check me and decide if I am organic
enough. I grow by the rules and don't need any big brother watching over me
. if you think I am lying get a searchwarrent convince a judge you have a
reason to look. this is America I don't have to prove I am not guilty every
year year after year. you don't ask that of chemical grower why pick on me.
> > >maybe every five years or so if nothing on the farm changes .. why
> >pay all these folks over and over every year if my organicness is the
> >what does the change in the year have to do with being organic . I was
> >same organic in 98 as 99 so why pay pay pay over and over for nothing.
> You know, when I was being inspected for certification I happily paid
> the fees to have another set of eyes look at what I was doing. Sure I
> was organic, but I definitely wasn't a perfect farmer, and having
> someone who had seen a lot of other farms helped me get better at what
> I was doing. BTW, at the time I was also *training* inspectors, so I
> knew at least as much about the deal as they did. They were *still* a
> good use of my money, whether or not I ever shipped a thing more than 5
> miles from home.
so what you want to start telling stories about what makes you feel good go
ahead I don't like spending anymore time or money than I have too. this is
one good reason one size does not fit all . you like it I hate it. that is
why you forcing us to play these games is wrong. in some states you pay $10
in some states you pay 2000 dollars for the same verification whets is fair
about that. why do I pay more in Ca. than Ky. what is far about that. how
the Fed. gov. and state force me to pay more here than in KY. good for the
goose good for the gander. they cannot tell you what it will cost to be
organic because there are so many folks with their hand in our pockets and
all get to charge whatever they want and you are forced to pay them. this
is wrong. it is wrong now and it is getting worse.
where is the protection for the grower? where is the due process? where is
the fairness of the same prices for the same thing ? where is my robe of
innocence why am I guilty and have to pay to prove I am telling the truth
over and over again just because the year changes.
> Just a reminder here. I think you and I are in pretty close agreement
> about USDA involvement.
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