> "Since, so far, USDA has not bothered certifying conventional crops for
the
> benefit of folks paying the salaries of its employees . . ."
>
. . where
> inspection and grading is done by a private firm, it must still conform to
> usda standards, and not to conform is a violation of federal law
yes and I am getting tired of this we pay for the grading and inspection
like everyone else now you want to put a extra tax on us. sure there are
grading laws and we have to follow them sure there are pesticide
regestration also and we also pay those when and if we buy pesticides so
yes and organic growers have to follow those laws already. if I sell lemons
I have to pay the lemon commodities tax the grading tax like all growers
what your talking about is a extra tax on me above and be on what other
growers have to pay because those lemons are organic and a extra tax because
that apple is organic you can't see that this is a grading tax on top of a
grading tax .
> in general the cost of the usda services are actually paid by the
processor
> or first handler . . . presumably those costs are factored into the price
> which the processor or first handler offers the producer for the commodity
.
> . . similarly, even if the first handler does the certification,
presumably
> the cost is reflected in the price received by the grower
yes organic growers pay that too we are no different what you want us poor
growers to do is pay for that service and a extra tax for organicness of the
fruit . double and triple taxation with out representation I might add. if
Ca. they are double and triple dipping from organic growers now what you are
saying is another layer on top of the layers already. any fool can see
that . I know when it come time to pay all these bottom feeders every year
I feel it.
don't u understand a regular meat raiser pay a usda tax and you want them to
pay extra because they don't use hormones and GMO . you want them to pay
more than regular growers . why why don't you trust organic grower and you
trust chemicals growers in how the meat is raised.
FRom the time this law was past till now a lot has happen and the law is not
needed nor the extra fees. we don't do that any more you know force poor
folks to pay extra fees and do extra paper work and hinder business . this
is one business that is doing a great job of regulating it self. I can not
sell to wholesalers now with out a certification . I can not sell over seas
now without a certification. so this law will just be a extra unneeded tax
on us that is not needed.. also if you charge our certifier money they
will pass the cost on to us and that's another tax we don't need. what
gives here this is bull. right now I have to pay the state of Ca. a
certifier, a inspector . how many pencil pushing bureaucratic does one
small organic grower have to pay off to be able to tell the truth.
also I think one certification inspection at the transition period to make
sure the new growers understands what organic is and then one inspection
maybe every five years or so if nothing on the farm changes .. why make me
pay all these folks over and over every year if my organicness is the same.
what does the change in the year have to do with being organic . I was the
same organic in 98 as 99 so why pay pay pay over and over for nothing. once
one knows what organic is he should be left to grow organic . we are not
such big liars that we need a yearly inspection what is that all about. you
see the same stuff every years only I have to pay you to come over again and
again and again to look at the same old same old.. what is that all about.
. this is just a rip off they don't have to make life that hard on us
because we grow organic.
> thus the effect of the ofpa, if it is ever implemented, will be to bring
> organic commodities in line with other commodities, not to make organic
> commodities different from other commodities
organic commodities are all the other commodities just grown organic so why
charge us extra . what is your reasoning for all this burdening of the
organic growers. lets get to the bottom line why you doing this to me I
have done nothing wrong. cheers yourself. there is nothing cheerful to me
in these years of being ripped off from folks that don't do nothing here but
take my money. Where is the cheers in that. powertripers extortionist con
men Mafia where is the farmers protection .
> cheers,
>
> craig
>
>
> craig k harris
> department of sociology
> michigan state university
> 429b berkey hall
> east lansing michigan 48824-1111
> tel: 517-355-5048
> fax: 517-432-2856
>
>
> > ----------
> > From: Lawrence F. London, Jr.[SMTP:london@metalab.unc.edu]
> > Sent: Sunday 7 November 1999 1:01 PM
> > To: Anita Graf (Staff)
> > Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
> > Subject: Re: USDA organic certification
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:44:33 -0500 (EST)
> > > From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@metalab.unc.edu>
> > > To: "Anita Graf (Staff)" <agraf@agecon.uga.edu>
> > > Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: USDA organic certification
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Anita Graf (Staff) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Excuse me if these ideas have already been covered. I am very
behind
> > > > in reading the Sanet posts.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wonder why there couldn't be just a USDA "certified organic FOR
> > > > EXPORT" program for those who want to be able to participate in
> > > > international markets, and those who only want domestic
certification
> > > > could opt for a cheaper private label certification?
there already is and to ship international you have to be certified now
> > > > It seems to me that the most compelling reason for national
> > > > standards is to facilitate international trade. For example,
without
> > > > national standards, trade with the EU is quite a bit more involved,
> > > > less efficient (and for that reason more expensive) because we do
not
> > > > have a federal govt program, and there is always the chance that the
> > > > EU will do what the Japanese have done and say "until you get
> > > > national govt-instituted standards, we won't accept your organic
national standards are one thing fees and extra unneeded paper work is
another
> > > > label." (This is what I have been told is the latest stand of the
> > > > Japanese, though I don't have a reference for this info.) Let me
> > > > repeat this: there is tremendous pressure from external markets to
> > > > have a national organic program that is put out by the government.
> > > > This is not something that AMS invented just to make everyone's life
> > > > more difficult! Organic export markets are lucrative (and
> > > > potentially even more so) so this is an important issue. (Lawrence
> > > -
> > > > and Sal, if you want to know why it is that the EU and Japan and
> > > > who-knows-next wants a stamp of approval from USDA rather than IFOAM
> > > > or OTA, that is a whole other discussion/dilema.)
I hope you got my post about how the certifiers and the USDA are taking care
of that now
.
> > >
> > > 1) Government sets the standards for what constitutes organically
> > > produced products - defines the O word
> > > 2) Certifying organizations are forced by law to meet these USDA
> > > standards or the may exceed, to any degree they choose, these
standards
> > > 3) Grower, if he wishes to sell to EU, Japan or wherever, hires the
> > > certifier of his choice, gets certified and moves on to
> > > export his product(s) overseas or at home
> > > 4) EU or other, by buying GrowerX's CertifierX-certified product
> > > gets "a stamp of approval from USDA" automatically. How could it be
> > > otherwise?
> > >
> > > So, what could possibly be wrong with this system? Tell us what the
big
> > > mystery is all about, the "that is a whole other discussion/dilema"
> > part.
> > >
> > > Curious,
> > >
> > > Lawrence
> >
> > And, as an afterthought, it occured to me that it would be nice for
> > our government to tell its citizens that USDA Certified Organic means
> > "your government says its really organic, go ahead and buy with
> > confidence". However, they have not bothered with such quality
> > assurance for conventionally-grown products to the tune of USDA
Certified
> > Analysis of Produxt X reveals the following levels of pesticide residues
> > or breakdown products thereof OR the following levels of contaminants
> > from materials used in production other than pesticides found in this
> > product OR our environmental impact study revealed that production of
this
> > box of soy doodles will contribute <x>% to
> > degradation/contamination/desertification of <x>square feet of farm
soil.
the head of the USDA said organic food is not safer than conventional food
so what is the reasoning for this extra tax.
this is getting old. other folks if they do paper work they get paid and
you want me to do paper work you pay me. you want me to take time out of
my day to show you around you pay me you slavemaster you
you want to look get a search warrant
its the American way. you want me to not use the word organic take the o
and the r and the g and the a and the n and the i and the c out of the
alphabet. as long as every one else gets to use those letters so should i.
Give me a o
O
give me a r
R
give me a g
G
give me a a
A
give me a n
N
give me a i
Eye
give me a C
SEE
hehe what does that spell?
hehe ORGANIC
What does that Spell
Organic
organic organic organic organic organic organic organic organic organic
organic organic organic organic organic organic organic
naw naw na naw naw
I think I will say the word ORGANIC CINAGRO IS ORGANIC SPELLED BACKWARD
BECAUSE YOU GET IT ALL BACKWARDS you make the contaminated pay and not the
contaminator. backwards
I think I will call my product CINAGRO in honor of the USDA that has
everything backwards. what you make the organic grower do all growers must
do. good for the goose good for the gander.
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