> hello sal,
>
> >taking money from folks because they grow organic is a rip off
> >set the standards and fine those that break the law not the honest folks
> >if you come and inspect me and i am telling the truth u pay for the
> >inspection if I am lying I pay and get a fine . easy
>
> >calling a small farm $5000 is a rip off
> >taking money from folks because they grow organic is a rip off
> >set the standards and fine those that break the law not the
> >honest folks if you come and inspect me and i am telling the
> >truth u pay for the inspection if I am lying I pay and get a
> >fine. easy
>
>
> no, sal. it's not that easy ! let me speak as a consumer, not as
> a public consultant (yes, from time to time i also consume and
> stop analysing and consulting).
>
> you won't get away with that so simple. in case you acted against
> organic rules i believed your statements and you cheated me ! the
> usual result of a consumer would be: stay away from you FOREVER
> and try his luck elsewhere. your idea is: just pay a fine and
> then you are allowed a second try of cheating me. fool me once,
> shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. why do you think, you can
> get away with just a fine ? the system you imagine will work for you
> yourself, but never under a label, because you have competors, who
> will not accept, that they should stay honest and you only risk a
> fine 20 or even 80% of your net gain by cheating.
I never acted against any rules you have not been cheated it is me that is
getting cheated who is watching out for me where is protection the honest
organic grower from this witchhunt from this organic rip-off from high fees
and powertripers .
when did I act against organic rules what u talking about I have been
inspected for 15 years and passed every time I have paid of many folks every
dime they asked for what the heck are u talking about.
> so most important question:
> what's your idea of the fine ???? 1000 $, 10% of your annual
> income, 1/2 year of a selling ban (who will control the last
> two things?) ???. and to whom do you PAY the fine ??
.> >the organic tax is a rip off.
.
this whole thing is turning into a witch hunt. let me tell u some stories.
true stories. once a chemical farmer came to inspect me and he charged me 4
time more than anyone else he drove down from SF and I paid for the gas he
stay in a motel and I paid for it and he charged me for this and for that
and he lied to me and I can go on and on about this jerk. anyway to make a
long story short you can't blame him because the money he makes depends on
how much he can squeeze out of me. where is my protection
another story the state of Ca. ag girl inspected me the same week that the
certifier inspected me two inspections the same week. the state of Ca. AG
is the biggest witchhunt of all . one year they said you are not organic
because u did not put the variety of the fruit u sold was that anna apple or
pearman or was that a white or a booth no verity on the paper no
registration and no registration mean your not organic. once they said your
not organic because you did not put the state registration number of the
person you sold too on the paper so your not organic because you don't have
his number . to top it all off last year I sent my hard earned money into
the state and the paper work and they did not send me my registration number
for 10 months. if you call up there they said Sals registration expired yet
they then sent it to me one month before I had to pay them again. its is a
organic growers witch hunt. they give us bull like it just depends on what
your idea of is is. it is not if your organic it is a witch hunt. the state
ag man makes his bones by how many organic growers he can nail to the
cross. this whole thing is a dog pile on the organic grower and is a
bullshit witchhunt. you don't even know the bullshit you have to go through
. every year year after year you have the army of folks trying to get u and
you have done nothing wrong. and I go through that over and over year after
year and it is getting old. once they said you not organic because you did
not fill out the unit column right and our computers could not handle it.
so the computer is down Im not organic any more.
you folks that buy organic food have no idea what hops we have to jump
through and what evil sprits we have to put up with. it is a witchhunt
every year. its not about organic its about making your bones building a
reputation on the killing off of organic growers.
where is my protection from powertripers that can ruin my life . i could be
a little more organic and it would make no difference because that is not
what this is about. the question asked have little to do with if your
organic or not. its a power trip why did not I get my registration for 10
months because they have the power that's why. they can just not send it.
and you can't do nothing. its not about if you are organic it about power
slavemaster extortion and most of all its about letting evil in the gate and
on your land and in your life. you have to pay them because your not
chemicals and your not using herbicides or GMO yet those that do don't pay .
they all want to show you how much power they got and you can do nothing but
take it . non funded state and fed. mandates ripping off honest business
folks and making it imposable for the poor man to live.
> stay away from from it, but also don't use the advantage of the
> label as consumers understand it... every other thing is a free ride
> on a train the others pay for..
I have not had a free ride I pay and pay and pay year after year and I put u
with their wickedness and I let folks with that spirit of we are going to
get u on my land. who needs that spirit of wickedness around me.
> > I know I am organic what did i get .....
>
> YOU know, but that's your personal business. eat your own food,
> be content with your own pure fruits, but don't expect me to
> believe, what you know... you certainly would convince some dear
> friends, who know you're an honest guy, but do not believe (or
> know), that i from the village nearby am going to trust you
> automatically.
that bull about if you don't have anything to hide why not let a army of
folks screw with u well I thought that too but u see you can be a little
more organic it would make no different because this is not about organic it
is a witchhunt. I thought at one time so what let them come and check me
out but now I see they can not give you your registration just because they
want to show you how much power they have.
> that's exactly the problem with the word "organic". to everyone
> it has a different meaning. 8 years ago we made an analysis on
> food bought a) under certified labels and b) bought under the
> non-regulated name "organic". while a) was almost! free of
> pesticide residues, b) had about one third the levels of chemical
> residues of conventional farmers. evidently one third of the
> uncertified "organics" cheated consumer's assumption of what they
> understood by "organic".
sorry you are out of it folks know what organic is I have been paying to be
certified organic for 15 years folks understand what organic is you are so
out of it you want to oppress the organic grower and tax him and it has
nothing to do with if you are organic or not. its a witch hunt .
> so if you think, you can have your way without certification,
> that's ok (i'm against obligatory certification for anyone, who
> uses the name organic), but don't ride the same train, others pay
> for by certification. it's what i wrote long ago: if organic
> growers will not find an agreement on what "biologic", "organic",
> "natural", "bio-dynamic" really means for ALL, who use these
> labels, you will VERY SOON run into trouble of not being able to
> explain for what reasons i should prefer your products.
If you can't find a reason to buy my product thats your problem.
this is just a witch hunt . it is a non funded fed. and state mandate who
gets it funds but bleeding the turnips. what is this all about. laying the
burden of this bureaucratic nightmare on the backs of the organic grower.
time will show who the wiser is and you can just eat the paper.
> time will show the wiser and in my opinion it
> will largely depend on how trustworthy you are on EVERY INDIVIDUAL
> consumer. but anonymously selling your products won't work....
> at least not here in europe. i checked it: for more than 10 years
> we had a MAJOR food scandal at least every 3 months !!
> trust from the consumers to an anonymous producer ? forget it !!!
>
>
> klaus
where is the protection for the organic grower. there is non any one of a
army of folks can screw you up and you have no no protection. if the state
of Ca. does not want to send you the registration for 10 months and tells
every one it has expired and you are not organic and they don't need a
reason . its a power trip they make their bones by nailing organic growers
and it is a big witch and getting worse every day. it just depends on what
your definition of is is. I don't deserve this kind of treatment just for
growing organic. I got two words for you and one of the is OFF.
where is my protection?
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