> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:21:21 -0800, Sal wrote:
> >calling a small farm $5000 is a rip off
> >taking money from folks because they grow organic is a rip off
> I believe that the US Small business Administration sets the threshhold
> for 'micro' businesses at $250,000 annual sales and below. That covers
> 94% of all American farms. I don't know where the upper threshold is,
> but it's probably more than my businesses are ever likely to gross.
> Half of US farmers have less than $10,000 in annual sales.
all the more reason not to charge these poor farmers money they need to live
on. The government they love duplication and overlap and easy made jobs
and powertrips. they feel organic growing is the cash cow and they are all
out to milk it . Mafia protection money if you don't pay you can't do
business. I have to pay a certifier,an inspector,the state of Ca. and now
you want me to pay the Fed. USDA for the same dam thing. send paper work to
all four and bow down to the power trips that all four are on. Your a
farmer king of you farm and you get all these powertripers tell you what u
have to do to meet their power trip and the funny part is that it has
nothing to do with if u are organic or not but how u cross your ts and dot
your i. this is every year over and over .
it is getting to be real bull shit. and every year someone else forces you
to pay them. it is always let the farmer pay for it all he can get the
money back from his customers. where is that guarantee at. and why should
I tax my customers who are the only folks I care about.
> *However* when I was living in Wisconsin I was tangentially involved in
> a case in which an organic grower was routinely using calcium nitrate
> and some other prohibited materials. If he was bigger than $5,000, it
> wasn't by a lot.
so what if there is a thief in a town they don't search every ones house in
the whole town to find the one thief why make the honest folks pay because
> Cheaters come in all sizes, including small, which is why they, too,
> need to be certified. The organic premium is supposed (in part) to
> cover the *additional* costs of producing organically, is it not.
> Additional costs like paperwork and certification.
this is bull shit I don't get a organic premium and I'm lucky to sell my
stuff at the same price big farmers get. this is the most bullshit I ever
heard . are u going to guarantee me a premium? who guarantees me a
supposed premium the certifier the inspector the state of ca the usda .
> I'm not sure who is "ripping off" whom when organic growers want the
> full premium for their production, but seem pathologically unwilling to
> make the efforts in soil care and recordkeeping (including
> certification) to justify that premium.
all these certifiers and inspectors and usda made jobs and state run
rip-offs don't make me organic and don't justify any premium I may get it
is the fact that I farm organic my own labor not what these pencle pushers
do . if you don't trust me and you don't trust CCOF and you don't trust
IFOAM and you don't trust the state of Ca. what makes you think they will
trust the USDA. i don't understand if I did not do anything different this
year than last year why just because the date changes and it 99 or 20000 why
do they all get to line up and get paid again . just because the year
changes does not mean I changed anything. so why every year what does that
date change have to do with being organic .
> I have been on 2 acre organic vegetable farms with 125-150 ton/acre
> annual erosion rates. They were pocketing their premium and giving
> absolutely nothing back to the land. Their sales were under $5,000 but
> they should no more have the right to call themselves organic than if
> they had been using Sevin to control squash bugs. It us the
> certification process --- with all its flaws --- that should be making
> that determination. Self-definition as organic, regardless of size, is
> simply wrong.
so what! you know a cheater big deal so make every one doing good give up
their right to innocent until proven guilty and the organic grower is guilty
until he pays to prove he is innocent. and pays and pays and pays over and
over again every year. year after year.to more and more people. bullshit.
I did not do anything different this year than last year yet they line up to
get their pound of flesh every year. are you organic ok pay us. bullshit
why should I pay more than a chemical farmer to sell my goods . whats is
fair about that.
who is this USDA and STATE and inspector and certifier that their word is
better than mine and why should I pay all of them.
What happen to my robe of innocence?
you mean the state does not trust the certifier and the certifier does not
trust the inspector and the USDA does not trust any of them. hehe I am
certified for my customers but this is getting nuts. I can't even support
me let alone a big bureaucratic sink hole. every one charging what they
like and I am in the middle being force to pay what every they ask and do
what every they ask and bow to all these folks that don't do shit for me but
take my money. My customers are happy with my CCOF and IFoam certification
and I don't need any more people to pay off.
so you know a cheater turn him in don't make me pay for his wrong doing I
can't afford it. turn in his certifier turn in his inspector but because
some one growing organic may cheat don't make me pay over and over again to
more and more people what ever they bill me.
the inspectors just gave themselves another raise now they get full pay for
driving to your house plus gas and motel room . the state guy is getting
paid and only works a three day week is on a real powertrip just talking to
him makes me sick and they did not send me my registration for over 8 months
just to show me how much power they have. powertripers they got to show you
they got the power if you are cheating or not and the USDA is releasing
living Frankenstein plants that will make organic growing imposable. you
think drift was a problem wait till these GMO start to drift. and you want
me to bow down and kiss up to these folks. don't get me started. they all
got to show you how much power they got don't do any thing to help u only
there to whip their power trip on you . yes boss slavemasters extortionists
the Mafia won that's why you don't hear about them. now the government
controls the gambling and the loan sharking and the extortion. When the
Mafia did it they called it numbers game now the government calls it the
lottery . you better worry about the real cheaters the fox you all want to
watch the hen house. Just say no to the organic tax just say no to
oppression of the poor and rightous.
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