Re: Re[2]: monsters that change?

Roberto Verzola (rverzola@phil.gn.apc.org)
22 Oct 99 09:05:29

>It is very difficult to slay a corporation and the idea is not very
>compatible with sustainability. Think of them as pests, which you
>don't try to eradicate, but rather control; and the best way to do

"Pests" are part of the natural ecology, corporations are not. And
even with pests -- a mosquito on your arm, or a fly on the table --
you swat them when they could cause you harm. We may not want to
eliminate all corporations in the world, but we certainly need to
learn to slay one, when the need arises. (And it often does!)

>The best case in point that comes to mind is that of big tobacco, It
>took a while, but they seem to be judicially dead, at least for now
>and in only some jurisdictions.

On the contrary. They bought themselves new life. A natural person
with a similar record of deliberate killing as these companies had
done would surely get the maximum penalty from any judicial system.
The tobacco firms will pay a few billions (and reduce their profits),
get away with mass murder, and will be allowed to commit some more.
Furthermore, the fines might benefit some U.S. victims. What about the
rest of the world?

>In the end, the corporations are made up of people and you are right
>Roberto, in that people can lose control. When that happens, this must
>be corrected from without, in order for the people within to BE
>people again.

I hope we don't ever forget that corporations are a legal personality
distinct and separate from the people within them. Your comment shows
how corps avoid efforts to slay them: by claiming identity or affinity
with natural persons and taking advantage of our natural aversion
against killing our own kind. Precisely by looking at corporations *as
if* they were a different species, we can overcome this psychological
aversion against slaying them.

Roberto

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>But the thread was about Bt corn. In what way to do you think Bt corn is
>going to get out and proliferate across the landscape?

Doesn't corn outcross easily because it is wind-pollinated? In fact,
the question should be: what makes you certain no genetic
contamination will occur? What does Pioneer consider a minimum
separation distance between a Bt and a non-Bt corn field to ensure
contamination rates of <0.1%? What about <0.01%? Or 0%?

Roberto

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