What I would like to hear discussion on is the sustainability of organic
farms in the US midwest without livestock either in the rotation or as part
of the nutrient source. I don't think they are very common.
Free Range hog, chicken, and rabbit farmer
> From: Benjamin and Sasha Goldberg <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Is Dennis Avery a liar and other questions?
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:27 PM
> Hello again,
> I've been following the Dennis Avery threads and reading John Robbins
> and I have to admit, I am really confused. I went to college for three
> years during which time the vast majority of my classes were in the
> physical sciences so I am almost completely unfamiliar with biological
> science. What I don't understand is this; how can scientists in the
> same discipline come up with different answers to the same questions?
> That is pretty darn impossible in physics and math so why is it so
> common in these other scientific disciplines? Is somebody lying? I
> have a hard time believing that because nobody wins if the environment
> is destroyed. It's not like there's another planet for the well heeled
> to run to.
> I have read some of Dennis Avery's words and he is a smooth talking
> guy. He is also, I think, clearly intelligent. Clinton was a Rhodes
> scholar. John Robbins presents what seems to be a clear picture that
> meat production is destabilizing other economies, causing wide spread
> hunger and is responsible for untold environmental damage. Add to this
> picture the consequences of the global market which tend to force the
> price of commodities ever downward and it all seems like "A Really Bad
> Idea" yet Clinton and I presume Gore and I presume George W., should he
> get elected, and Reagan, and Bush etc... are now or have been promoting
> these policies. Why?
> Not even the greediest, most unscrupulous person in the world would set
> fire to a house he cannot leave to make a profit.
> Another question: how does vertical integration differ from a monopoly?
> It's been a long time since I studied monopolies but they seem to pretty
> much the same thing.
> Is Monsanto doing anything, actually as opposed to some day in some
> hypothetical future, to combat world hunger? From what I've read, they
> are contributing to hunger by promoting those crops that take arable
> land out of local food production by concentrating on feed grade
> soybeans and corn and cotton. Do they know this? I know somebody who
> retired from Monsanto and he seem's like a nice guy.
> All my information is second hand but I do see that most of the people
> who are pro GM etc..., make their living from the mega corps. And I
> find it deeply troubling that these same people seem to be in and out of
> government jobs. Still, I come back to my basic premise: No one sets
> his house on fire.
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