Anita Graf (Staff) wrote:
> Sal wrote:
> > I don't feel we should leave God out of this . I think that is what is wrong
> > with ag. today they leave God out . they think they are making the stuff
> > grow. they are creating and changing life on earth and playing God.
>
> Kate Smith recently tried to stir up a conversation about
> sprituality, spiritual values and agriculture, and I didn't see much
> response. I'm curious as to why and how Bargyla's narrow minded
> Bible spoutings have evoked this most recent discussion. I believe
> it was Gwyneth and Beth who publically protested Bargyla's
> patronizing Bible-thumping, but I don't think that either one of them
> were in any way discouraging a discussion of spirituality and
> agriculture. Quite the opposite. I think they were both reacting to
> big chunks of raw dogma hurled into this forum. Dogma is
> unprocessed, finger-wagging, ultimatum-laden "recipes" for life.
> It's also pretty hard to swallow, if you insist on digesting what you
> swallow. Raw dogma is what I hear when Bargyla gives her version
> of TRUTH. Spritual truth, the result of one's own internal
> processing and digesting, is real nutrition, and what I see as
> appropriate to the discussions here. It's more than just recognizing
> that there are other sacred texts (a la Alex's response; it's even
> deeper than that. There are also other ways of understanding the
> SAME sacred text. There is not one utterance or piece of writing
> which does not deserve your own reflection, questioning, and
> processing to make it your own if you are going to take it at all. I
> also don't think that anyone's temporal age on this planet has
> anything to do with it. A person who at even an advanced age still
> does not allow sacred words to penetrate her and integrate inside of
> her but rather continues to spout the raw dogma she was fed as a
> child, is, in my opinion, not wise according to her years. She may
> be brilliant when it comes to organic ag practices, but her
> understanding of religion and spirituality is still raw and
> undeveloped. And I'm not saying this in a purposefully disrespectful
> way or just because I don't agree with something she might say, I say
> it because it just simply sounds like the same old rhetoric you can
> find on any intervenous-religion show on Sunday morning tv. There is
> a difference between something which comes from *inside* you (whether
> or not I agree with it) and something that is passed on, unprocessed,
> from the outside.
>
> It's this sort of lack of internal processing which allows things
> like GE to go on unchecked and many other evils in the world to
> proliforate. We DO need to discuss spiritual and moral values on
> this list -- ABSOLUTELY, and interrated to this must be the
> understanding that this means processing everything which comes
> our way and making an effort to separate grain from chaff. We
> might not all agree as what is the grain of truth and what is the
> chaff, but we should have at least done all our own winnowing.
>
> Anita
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