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----- Original Message -----
From: Bargyla Rateaver <email@example.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Bible phobia
> You know, folks, all you folks, I never intended to start a furor. As I
> said repeatedly, I just start writing as I think, and as much of my
> is so saturated with what I had dinned into me, morning, noon and night
> young years, and then on my own, due to my own interest, Bible talks just
> seems to do itself--I don't realize the slant of my own wording, I
> So if everyone will just try to put up with me, I'll try to be more
> in my writing. Thanks to each and every one who sounds so tolerant and
> --should I say--:forgiving--.
> firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> > Nothing like a little Bible quotation to raise the hackles and send
> > everyone retreating into the safer realm of science. For such a
> > simple concept, faith can be so mind-bogglingly complex for many.
> > Do we really need "no religion rules" to operate honorably on this
> > list? Do we really need to observe the "I'm OK, You're OK" attitude
> > about truth? Do we really need to assert religious falsehoods to
> > make our points?
> > Religion is the realm within which we search for the truth...and
> > there is only one (truth, that is). There are definitely thousands of
> > religions searching for it, but there is only one truth to find. How is
> > sustainable agriculture not a religion? If there was no creation to
> > steward and love, we would not even have this list or this topic?
> > Saying that we are all right in our beliefs simply because they are
> > ours (the Druids are right because thats what they believe, the
> > Muslims are right because thats what they believe, on and on ad
> > infinitum) gets us no closer to the truth, and puts us on a
> > ridiculously high pedestal relative to the Creator. The only thing we
> > know for certain is that we don't know the whole truth. So if we
> > take a stand for certain behaviors as being right (sustainable
> > agriculture for instance), then that is an act of faith and nothing to
> > be ashamed of, nor frightened of, nor is it a discussion to be
> > avoided.
> > Lastly, before we assert our perception of "strange" religious
> > practice, we had better assess our own ignorance. Catholics, for
> > example, do not "worship" dead saints nor icons...they worship the
> > triune God, the Creator. That they ask for prayerful intercession
> > from dead saints (residing in heaven nonetheless), or conclude
> > after considerable deliberation that grace can be transferred via
> > inanimate objects, is also an act of faith and should serve as an
> > initiator of discussion, not a barrier.
> > So thank you Bargyla for opening this particular can of worms, as
> > we all know worms are beneficial and not to be avoided. So, with
> > all due respect and diplomacy, let's get on with it.
> > JimK
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