Re: organic standards/manures, was... comments on ag. fueled by Avery/Salatin debate + others.

Bargyla Rateaver (brateaver@earthlink.net)
Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:01:35 -0700

Right, yes, but I think that man's idea was to just blanket condemn all
manure--just another way to slam organic method. It is so easy to just say--oh,
yeah, manure--that's what organic is all about, and that is dangerous.
I remember from my youth/childhood that no one had any other fertilizer than
manure. It certainly was not the cause of any diseases. There was plenty of
disease around, but not anything that had any root cause in manure, ever. So
silly to blame manure.

Argall Family wrote:

> Amy wrote
>
> "Avery: I, also, am in favor of irradiation. I am particularly in favor of
> it for organic food that is grown when it is grown with the assistance of
> manure, because that involves a serious bacterial risk, and the irradiation
> would eliminate that."
>
> Amy, certified organic food, at least in Australia, should not be grown in
> manure. Manures must go through some adequate (time or temperature)
> composting process to deal with pathogens. I think that we, as organisms who
> are 10% dry weight microorganisms ourselves, should try to move away from
> the marketing perspective that a world without microbes is a real world or a
> safe world. The issue is of overall plant health and nutrition and of a
> microorganism environment which is on balance beneficial, supporting larger
> organism (plants or people) which are robust and vigorous at the cellular
> level and resistant to immune disorder. I agree with a focus of your
> message, that there is nothing special about replacing chemical fertilisers
> with 'natural' fertilisers. The focus of organic growing has to be well away
> from that. The focus needs to move from the plant to the soil. Only in a
> really healthy and lively soil will a plant with vitality grow. In a real
> sense, the origins of life are around us every moment in the soil, in the
> intimacy of association and the complexity of the boundaries between mineral
> derived molecules, bacteria and fungi, and plant root fibres. As in the
> intestine, the symbiotic relationships are essential to health of the
> organism. It is sensible really, to look at our own dependence on plants,
> and on animals better equipped than we are to digest plants, as part of the
> whole symbiotic package. And note that parasitism is really a sub-set of
> symbiosis - it is not always easy to say that a given microorganism (or a
> given bug, or person in a community) is just a dangerous factor or one which
> has a role of value from some perspectives. When overall ecological balance
> is weakened, when organisms are subjected to environmental stresses,
> opportunistic organisms may have destabilising effects. The purpose of
> organic growing, in an ecologically supportive sense, is not to fight
> individual bugs, but to strengthen whole ecologies.
>
> Dennis
>
> The Australian National Standard
> for Organic and Bio-dynamic Produce
> .Second Edition
> Organic Produce Advisory Committee, Australian Quarantine and Inspection
> Service
> Copyright ISBN 0-646-35460-4
>
> "3.2 The aims outlined above are achieved through management practices that
> create soils of enhanced biological activity, as determined by the humus
> level, crumb structure and feeder root development, such that plants are fed
> through the soil ecosystem and not primarily through soluble fertilisers
> added to the soil. Plants grown in organic systems take up nutrients that
> are released slowly from humus colloids, at a rate governed by warmth. In
> this system, the metabolism of the plant and its ability to assimilate
> nutrients is not overstressed by excessive uptake of soluble salts in the
> soil water (such as nitrates). Therefore the development of soil structure
> is fundamental to organic farming systems. Organic farming systems rely to
> the maximum extent feasible upon crop rotations, crop residues, animal
> manures [but on this, Amy, see 3.9 below], legumes, green manures,
> mechanical cultivation, approved mineral-bearing rocks and aspects of
> biological pest management to maintain soil productivity and tilth, to
> supply plant nutrients and to control diseases, insects, weeds and other
> pests...
>
> "3.9 The fertility and the biological activity of the soil must be
> maintained or increased by any combination of the following methods:
> - cultivation of legumes, green manures or perennial deep-rooting plants in
> an appropriate rotation programme;
> - sheet composting using animal manures must go through two green manure
> crops before the area is used for small crops;
> - fully composted organic matter derived from selected sources as listed in
> Annex IB;..."
>
> Annex B does not allow fresh manure:
>
> "B. Permitted materials for use in Soil Fertilising and Soil Conditioning
>
> Substances Specific conditions
> slurry from certified sources
> aerobic compost compost is the conversion of organic
> anaerobic compost materials into humus colloids
> straw
> mined carbon-based products such as peat, or coal
> blood and bone, fish meal, hoof and horn meal,
> or other waste products from fish or animal processing
> seaweed or seaweed meal
> plant and animal derived by-products of the food and textile industries
> sawdust, bark and wood waste from untreated sources
> basic slag only after residue testing for heavy metals
>
> dolomite and lime from natural sources
> gypsum (calcium sulphate) from natural sources
> calcined or rock phosphate and other crushed mineral bearing rocks
> excluding those minerals which are more than 20% soluble
> phosphoric guano
> rock potash and sulphate potash
> wood ash from untreated sources
> sulphur
> clay, bentonite
> attapulgite
> perlite
> trace elements includes materials such as borax
> natural chelates are acceptable, eg ligno sulphonates not synthetically
> chelated elements and those using the natural chelating agents such as
> citric, maleic, tartaric and other di- and tri- acids
> homoeopathic preparations
> approved microbiological and biological preparations
> naturally occurring biologicalorganisms (eg worms and worm castings)
> excluding products derived from genetic modification technology
> fish products
> zeolites
> vermiculite
> potassium glauconite"
>
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