There are quite a few marketing orders, we could get a list from USDA
on the coops = I think it is local rules
At 12:38 PM 8/9/99 -0400, Harris, Craig wrote:
>mark,
>thanks for the list
>> peanuts -- do you know what is the mechanism here
>> sugar -- is this just quotas on imports, or is there more
>> some marketing orders -- tart cherries is one; do you know if there are
>> others
>> tobacco -- is this still the allotment program, or something else
>> a few dairy coops I think -- are these marketing orders, or coop rules
>cheers,
>craig
>
>craig k harris
>department of sociology
>michigan state university
>429b berkey hall
>east lansing michigan 48824-1111
>tel: 517-355-5048
>fax: 517-432-2856
>
>
>> ----------
>> From: Mark Ritchie[SMTP:mritchie@iatp.org]
>> Sent: Monday 9 August 1999 12:28 PM
>> To: Harris, Craig; Paul Schmitmeyer; Sanet; 'Jim Worstell'
>> Subject: RE: Future Generations of Family Farmers
>>
>> peanuts
>> sugar
>> some marketing orders
>> tobacco
>> a few dairy coops I think
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:58 AM 8/9/99 -0400, Harris, Craig wrote:
>> >jim,
>> >could you say a little bit more about the "few supply management programs
>> >left in the U.S." . . . perhaps a list or some brief description
>> >thanks,
>> >craig
>> >
>> >craig k harris
>> >department of sociology
>> >michigan state university
>> >429b berkey hall
>> >east lansing michigan 48824-1111
>> >tel: 517-355-5048
>> >fax: 517-432-2856
>> >
>> >
>> >> ----------
>> >> From: Jim Worstell[SMTP:jvworstell@futura.net]
>> >> Sent: Monday 9 August 1999 10:23 AM
>> >> To: Paul Schmitmeyer; Sanet
>> >> Subject: Re: Future Generations of Family Farmers
>> >>
>> >> Paul et al.,
>> >>
>> >> You have one good point: most farmers like to farm, not worry about
>> >> markets.
>> >> And that's exactly why Barbara is right. The only type of government
>> >> program which will help small and moderate sized family farms is some
>> sort
>> >> of supply management based on allotments attached to the land. In
>> such
>> >> programs, supply is managed so that farmers get a fair return, farmers
>> >> don't
>> >> have much worry about selling their crops, etc. and the taxpayers only
>> >> have
>> >> minor adminstrative costs
>> >>
>> >> The train wreck of present farm policy is resulting in a bipartisan
>> $7-10
>> >> billion giveaway this year after a record $6.4 billion giveaway last
>> >> year.
>> >> But the ag economists are so wedded to their faulty assumptions that
>> they
>> >> can't even see the cost of those assumptions, much less their effect on
>> >> family farms and rural communities.
>> >>
>> >> The few supply management programs left in the U.S. are the only ones
>> >> which
>> >> have resulted in prosperous family farms and rural communities.
>> >>
>> >> Jim Worstell
>> >> www.deltanetwork.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Paul Schmitmeyer <ps@erinet.com>
>> >> To: Sanet <sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
>> >> Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 7:14 AM
>> >> Subject: Fw: Future Generations of Family Farmers
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> > First off, you offer some very good points! There are some areas
>> I
>> >> would
>> >> > like to offer my view points on. I have had some first hand
>> experience
>> >> in
>> >> > direct sales, that is farmers to consumers. The problem is most
>> farmers
>> >> are
>> >> > not good direct marketers. They aren't good at it and DON'T want to
>> do
>> >> it.
>> >> > It's not part of their farming plan. Not to say you arn't right, it's
>> >> just
>> >> > that most people won't do it.
>> >> > A note on dairying program like the one in Canada, most of them
>> are
>> >> not
>> >> > happy at all with their program. They DO give up a lot of their
>> freedom
>> >> to
>> >> > do what they do.
>> >> > Go with God,
>> >> > Smitty
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Barbara R Buchmayer <organic-harvest@juno.com>
>> >> > To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu <sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu>
>> >> > Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:36 PM
>> >> > Subject: Future Generations of Family Farmers
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >Dear Marian
>> >> > >
>> >> > >My view of where future farmers will come from is quite different
>> >> from
>> >> > >Ann Clark's.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >My husband and I have farmed for about 20 years, never quite
>> >> conventional
>> >> > >farmers more like lunatic fringe. We have known a lot of
>> conventional
>> >> > >family farmers and have seen some of them evolve into sustainable or
>> >> > >organic farmers. We have also known and been friends with the "new
>> >> > >"farmers, those that have chosen to farm but were not really raised
>> on
>> >> a
>> >> > >farm or even in a rural area. In fact my husband is from a century
>> >> farm
>> >> > >and I was raised in the 5 acre suburbs, but I always knew I was to
>> be a
>> >> > >farmer.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >We have recently started bottling our organic milk and selling it in
>> a
>> >> > >metropolitan area. So after 20 years we have moved from intensive
>> >> > >grazing on our dairy to not only being graziers but being organic
>> and
>> >> > >adding value as well.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >I believe the future family farmers will be four major groups,
>> >> depending
>> >> > >on how you define "family farmers". These groups being:
>> traditional
>> >> > >farmers that have evolved into direct marketers or value-adders or
>> >> both;
>> >> > >"new" farmers that are innovative but not terribly tied to the land;
>> >> > >contract growers that really are surfs on their own farms for some
>> >> large
>> >> > >corporation; and large conventional farmers.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 1) The strongest or toughest of these will be the farmers that
>> >> > >have evolved or young farmers with traditional backgrounds that are
>> >> > >drawn to sustainable farming as the only alternative they and the
>> land
>> >> > >can live with. These are the people who are committed to farming
>> and
>> >> > >will work their butts off because they can see no other meaningful
>> use
>> >> > >for their lives that can provide comparable satisfaction. These
>> >> people
>> >> > >know how to work and we are talking 80 hours a week as being nothing
>> >> > >unusual. Some will evolve because they realize it is the right
>> >> direction
>> >> > >for them and others will be forced by finances to change or get out.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2) The "new" farmers will be around, from my experience about 5
>> >> > >years before they realize they don't have the skills, money,
>> commitment
>> >> > >or whatever it does take to hang in there. They will add much depth
>> >> and
>> >> > >bring a lot of diversity to the farming community but in the end
>> they
>> >> > >really aren't committed to the land and will move on to greener
>> >> pastures
>> >> > >in other career areas. These are the ones that want to farm, have a
>> >> lot
>> >> > >to offer the ag community but really don't want to sacrifice too
>> much.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 3) The contract growers will survive on their farms but most of
>> >> > >their freedom will have been taken from them in exchange for
>> security.
>> >> I
>> >> > >don't have a clue how large this group will be but I doubt there
>> will
>> >> be
>> >> > >very many "happy campers" among them.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 4) Large conventional farmers will still be around. There seems
>> >> > >to be no limit in size for these guys and yet they truly are family
>> >> owned
>> >> > >and managed farms. How many dairy cows can one farmer deal with?
>> Ten
>> >> ,
>> >> > >twenty or maybe even thirty thousand. Its not for me but they are
>> >> > >expanding every day with the only limits in sight being laws
>> governing
>> >> > >total numbers of animals per acre and "safe" manure disposal.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Sadly, I don't see a lot of farmers able or willing to be direct
>> >> > >marketers or value-adders or a lot of "new" farmers with the
>> resources
>> >> > >and desire to make a go of it. I would like to see lots of
>> sustainable
>> >> > >and organic farmers for the good of the land and future generations.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >I think if we really want to have lots of family farmers we would
>> have
>> >> to
>> >> > >impose some type of quota system guaranteeing good prices for
>> specific
>> >> > >amounts of commodity with any overage selling at much lower market
>> >> > >prices. Something similar to the dairy quotas in Canada with all
>> the
>> >> > >pros and cons inherent to a quota system. It boils down to: Are we
>> >> > >willing to trade our freedom and independence for security?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >How far are we willing to go to preserve the family farm?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Barb Buchmayer
>> >> > >Green Hills Harvest
>> >> > >organic-harvest@juno.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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