Re: Avery/Salatin Debate Transcripts
mmiller@PCSIA.COM
Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:55:39 -0500
" But when you give to the needy (or sustainable ag. farmers), do not let
your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may
be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will
reward you." Matthew 6:3 New International Version of the Christian's Bible
To paraphase a Country and Western song, "What part of anonymous don't you
understand?" Mike Miller
At 18:29 07-08-99 -0600, you wrote:
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>Isn't that website Lawrence London's website? I bet he donated that cash.
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>Jeff Ishee wrote:
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>> I would like to announce to the list that an anonymous donor has
>> covered the cost of transcribing a recent two-hour debate between Dennis
>> Avery and Joel Salatin. Thanks to the donor and also to Craig Cramer who
>> is working on posting the complete debate, word-for-word, at the
>> Sustainable Farming Connection website. Give him a little time to code
>> it for HTML, and it should be up as soon as possible.
>>
>> http://metalab.unc.edu/farming-connection
>>
>> If you are looking for a no-holds barred, thought-provoking,
>> sparks-a-flying debate about modern agricultural policies and practices,
>> you'll want to make this a priority on your reading list.
>> Thanks again to the anonymous donor and to Craig Cramer, and to all of
>> you for your interest in this debate.
>> A one-page sample follows below. The complete debate is 24 typewritten
>> pages.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Jeff Ishee
>> Farm Director, WSVA Radio
>> P.O. Box 752
>> Harrisonburg, VA 22801
>> www.valleyradio.com/agri
>>
>> ************************
>> portion of debate (all transcribed word-for-word)
>>
>> (on the topic of organic vs. conventional foods relating to cancer
>> risks)
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>> Avery: There are varying shades of gray, black, and white, but really, I
>> mean that . . . for example your cancer scare. It's out the window, and
>> yet you guys are sticking with it.
>>
>> Salatin: You're trying to suggest . . .
>>
>> Avery: Where is the cancer threat?
>>
>> Salatin: I can show you report after report after report, and I know
>> people who have died from pesticide exposure and from herbicide
>> exposure. We have a lot of customers . . .
>>
>> Avery: Joel, you don't know of any such thing.
>>
>> Salatin: Of course I do. I talk with these people.
>>
>> Avery: You believe it, but . . .
>>
>> Salatin: Look, you can sit there in front of a computer all day, and you
>> can look at your statisticians and you databases, but I know people. If
>> you don't live in that world, that's not the real world. That's a
>> fantasy world of government flying around, jetting around the country
>> telling people what's going to happen in fifty years by looking at
>> databases and reading scientific journals. We have customers that come
>> to us from medical doctors with environmental sensitivities caused by
>> residues, hormones, call it what you will, pesticides, herbicides . . .
>>
>> Avery: Or allergies.
>>
>> Salatin: Or allergies, but most of them are not. They are sensitivities
>> to the problems, and whether it's food dye number 29 or whatever, that's
>> in food. These are our friends. There are not part of any computer
>> database.
>>
>> Avery: I had a letter from a lady in Indianapolis who said that organic
>> food had saved her life twice, because she'd had cancer twice. (laughs)
>> I thought the organic food was supposed to prevent her from getting
>> cancer, and that recovering from cancer should reflect some credit on
>> her doctors. She really believed that eating organic food had cured her
>> from cancer twice, having gotten cancer twice. I mean, this is not a
>> rational reality.
>>
>> Salatin: It is irrational, it is absolutely irrational, to think that
>> there is nothing about a chicken or a pig or a cow that is unique, and
>> that is any different than a computer or a robotic machine. That is not
>> real.
>>
>> Avery: Who is saying that?
>>
>> Salatin: Well, you are.
>>
>> Avery: Oh, heavens no. Biology is . . .
>>
>> Salatin: You don't care about humane . . .
>>
>> Avery: Biology is infinitely more complex than a robot or a computer.
>>
>> Salatin: Ahhh. Yes. So biology and industry are different. And yet the
>> whole predication of genetically modified organisms, irradiation, and
>> everything else you are espousing, it's all predicated on a philosophy
>> that animals and plants are simply machines.
>>
>> Avery: No. No. No. No. No.
>>
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