Jeff Ishee wrote:
> I would like to announce to the list that an anonymous donor has
> covered the cost of transcribing a recent two-hour debate between Dennis
> Avery and Joel Salatin. Thanks to the donor and also to Craig Cramer who
> is working on posting the complete debate, word-for-word, at the
> Sustainable Farming Connection website. Give him a little time to code
> it for HTML, and it should be up as soon as possible.
>
> http://metalab.unc.edu/farming-connection
>
> If you are looking for a no-holds barred, thought-provoking,
> sparks-a-flying debate about modern agricultural policies and practices,
> you'll want to make this a priority on your reading list.
> Thanks again to the anonymous donor and to Craig Cramer, and to all of
> you for your interest in this debate.
> A one-page sample follows below. The complete debate is 24 typewritten
> pages.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Ishee
> Farm Director, WSVA Radio
> P.O. Box 752
> Harrisonburg, VA 22801
> www.valleyradio.com/agri
>
> ************************
> portion of debate (all transcribed word-for-word)
>
> (on the topic of organic vs. conventional foods relating to cancer
> risks)
>
> Avery: There are varying shades of gray, black, and white, but really, I
> mean that . . . for example your cancer scare. It's out the window, and
> yet you guys are sticking with it.
>
> Salatin: You're trying to suggest . . .
>
> Avery: Where is the cancer threat?
>
> Salatin: I can show you report after report after report, and I know
> people who have died from pesticide exposure and from herbicide
> exposure. We have a lot of customers . . .
>
> Avery: Joel, you don't know of any such thing.
>
> Salatin: Of course I do. I talk with these people.
>
> Avery: You believe it, but . . .
>
> Salatin: Look, you can sit there in front of a computer all day, and you
> can look at your statisticians and you databases, but I know people. If
> you don't live in that world, that's not the real world. That's a
> fantasy world of government flying around, jetting around the country
> telling people what's going to happen in fifty years by looking at
> databases and reading scientific journals. We have customers that come
> to us from medical doctors with environmental sensitivities caused by
> residues, hormones, call it what you will, pesticides, herbicides . . .
>
> Avery: Or allergies.
>
> Salatin: Or allergies, but most of them are not. They are sensitivities
> to the problems, and whether it's food dye number 29 or whatever, that's
> in food. These are our friends. There are not part of any computer
> database.
>
> Avery: I had a letter from a lady in Indianapolis who said that organic
> food had saved her life twice, because she'd had cancer twice. (laughs)
> I thought the organic food was supposed to prevent her from getting
> cancer, and that recovering from cancer should reflect some credit on
> her doctors. She really believed that eating organic food had cured her
> from cancer twice, having gotten cancer twice. I mean, this is not a
> rational reality.
>
> Salatin: It is irrational, it is absolutely irrational, to think that
> there is nothing about a chicken or a pig or a cow that is unique, and
> that is any different than a computer or a robotic machine. That is not
> real.
>
> Avery: Who is saying that?
>
> Salatin: Well, you are.
>
> Avery: Oh, heavens no. Biology is . . .
>
> Salatin: You don't care about humane . . .
>
> Avery: Biology is infinitely more complex than a robot or a computer.
>
> Salatin: Ahhh. Yes. So biology and industry are different. And yet the
> whole predication of genetically modified organisms, irradiation, and
> everything else you are espousing, it's all predicated on a philosophy
> that animals and plants are simply machines.
>
> Avery: No. No. No. No. No.
>
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