Re: organic chicken feed recipes.

Bargyla Rateaver (brateaver@earthlink.net)
Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:05:14 -0700

You mention trypsin inhibitors. I looked up in the Primer UPDATE, because that
rang a bell in my mind, and yes, that is one of the undesirable things
mentioned. Also it says:
"....Lectins bind to sugar receptor molecules on the cell membrane in the
intestine, a harmful process. Phytohaemagglutinins are lectins that cause blood
to clot in veins, a lethal effect; cooking destroys this reaction.
"Trypsin (a protease enzyme) inhibitors are complex protein molecules that
prevent digestion of protein by the enzyme.
"Cooking long enough to destroy these compounds would destroy the food
value. All recipes that advise to cook in boiling water, or after shorter
soaking, or to cook in soakwater, should be altered to adapt to the above
routine. Recipes calling for pressure cooking of 20-30 minutes should be
discarded, as that amount of heat for that long a time would destroy the
protein value."

Does this fit with your own statement?
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Greg & Lei Gunthorp wrote:

> Why can't they genetically engineer a soybean plant with no trypsin
> inhibitors? :) Seriously though, ladino clover as a ground reconditioner
> and as a source of protein for non-ruminants can not be beat. Soybeans as
> a grazing crop have a very narrow harvesting window. Been there and done
> that on ones that the weeds got away from me on. I would think brassicas
> would be a better choice for annuals.
>
> Is anybody doing any work on a soybean plant that can be fed without making
> the bean crushers rich (ie ADM, price fixer to the world and the likes)?
>
> Best wishes,
> Greg Gunthorp
> Free Range hog farmer
>
> ----------
> > From: Argall Family <grargall@alphalink.com.au>
> > To: Greg & Lei Gunthorp <hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com>; Lorin Unterberger
> <organic@essex1.com>; sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
> > Subject: RE: organic chicken feed recipes.
> > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:44 PM
> >
> > I wonder if the highest value of the soy beans might not be as a
> rotation,
> > to broadcast into tired crop areas, for nitrogen fixing, before allowing
> the
> > poultry to free range through the weeds and soy bean plants [not aware of
> > any toxicity in the plants].
> >
> > Aside from Greg's comment on treating beans before feeding with them,
> > legumes tend to be around 35% protein, and chicks, growers and layers
> need
> > protein value declining form about 17 to 13% or so, so soy beans would
> be a
> > good protein lift. Generally, our birds have a great preference for
> variety.
> > They go crazy over the occasional treat of what is sold here as pigeon
> mix,
> > with a protein content around 25%, and with big variety of seeds. With
> some
> > chicken breeds, e.g. Isa Brown, you have to be careful, as high protein
> > diets tend to produce bird-busting big eggs. Hence my thought that the
> > highest value of the soy beans might be to feed them to the soil, allow
> them
> > to help strengthen fallow ground with their strong growth and nitrogen
> > fixing, before running the chickens through as clean-up and manuring
> > tractors.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
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