Bargyla Rateaver wrote:
> Maybe Mr. Wilson is referring to me--maybe I flatter myself.
> But there is one error afloat. The real Apocalypse is the one the Bible
> describes, and it is the second best news the world has ever heard. The number 1
> best news is that this Apocalypse is to be done by the Creator, and will be
> immediately followed by the restoration of Eden, worldwide.
> Maybe people should be more careful about the terms they use. If you use a
> term from the Bible, you should make clear the main point the Bible makes about
> the apocalyptic Armageddon--that it will instantly be followed by restoration of
> total perfection--Eden again and this time forever.
> No point in complaining that I bring up the Bible on an organic list--every
> bit of ag in Bible times WAS organic, and will be totally so, forever, following
> the Apocalypse. And I did not start this--he did.
> Lester Loam wrote:
> > Dale Wilson wrote:
> > >This list is filled with negative people, apparently worshipping >the
> > >coming apocalypse.
> > Dale:
> > I beg to differ. Most of the people on sanet and most in the sustainable ag
> > community are among the most positive people I know. They don't worship the
> > apocalypse. They're doing all they can to make sure that it doesn't happen
> > in their lifetime or anytime in the near future.
> > I'm not trying to speak for all, but I think most in the sustainable ag
> > community have a strong, clear and positive vision of the world as it could
> > be. They see the small percentage of farmers who have broken from the
> > conventional paradigm (or never embraced it) and are forging sustainable
> > operations that are economically and environmentally sustainable -- or at
> > least closer to it than the run-of-the-mill farm. They envision what the
> > world would look like if this were the rule, rather than the exception, and
> > they like what they see.
> > They see thriving rural communities. They see humane livestock systems.
> > They see a global food system that is just and provides everyone with
> > sufficient, secure and healthful food supplies.
> > This is not an apocalyptic vision. Utopian, maybe. But not doom and gloom.
> > If you sense negativity from this group, it is possibly because they are
> > negative about business as usual. It might be that they are negative about
> > the tactics you embrace to reach your somewhat different vision of a
> > sustainable future.
> > Are sustainable ag people defensive? You bet. I think that perhaps a
> > decade ago, they were encouraged that there appeared to be bridges to their
> > sustainable vision. But lately, very powerful forces appear to be trying to
> > slam the door shut on their vision. It's easy to get defensive when you see
> > the window of opportunity shrinking on your vision.
> > Consequently, you hear a lot more criticism of what's happening today than
> > you hear about the positive vision of the future. Is that what you
> > interpret as negativity?
> > Lester
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