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> From: Sal <sals@rain.org>
> To: Greg & Lei Gunthorp <hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com>; sanet
<sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: Organic Standards for Livestock
> Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 3:48 PM
>
> your way of thinking bothers me. I think u can be organic and not do
crop
> rotations I can understand why the law just tells us what not to use
because
> this telling us what to use is wrong. wrong wrong . u can be organic
> without crop rotations,compost,covercrop etc. this telling us we have to
do
> this and we have to do that is bull. I don't use synthics so I am
organic
> if I rotate or not. quit telling us how to farm. I i feed organic feed
> and I keep chickens in a pen so the coyotes don't eat them I am still
> organic. u can tell me what not to use but this telling us organic
growers
> how we must farm is bs. this whole organic tax is bs. some of the
organic
> folks want to make their way law. this is getting nuts. I don't rotate,
I
> have spent years building my soil I don't have to add anything or do
> anything . If you don't add anything or do any of that other stuff your
> organic . these folks want to force us to farm their way. it not about
> organic it is about the only way to do it is their way. o you have to
not
> pin up your chickens you have to do it our way. organic is organic .
dam
> organic Gestapo now they want to tell us how to farm and their way is the
> right way. sure they know everything bull shit these are the folks that
got
> all this police action going like we are bad guys or something and have
to
> be told how to raise chickens or food. one year the inspector told me I
had
> to cut my weeds or I was not organic . these guys are really getting
nuts.
> no I don't use compost no I don't covercrop ( I may plant a few fava
beans )
> I can farm by neglect and still be organic. If I don't use non organic
> stuff I am organic . I don't need a army of police to farm organic .
never
> did for 6000 years never need anyone looking over my shoulder. you want
to
> police someone go police those that use non organic stuff. tax them.
this
> singling out organic growers for organic tax and register like a sex
> offender and load them up with bs paper work and make them jump through
> hoops just to be organic is nuts. I have to fill out paper work for three
> different groups of people and pay them all protection money like the
Mafia
> or something. I have a certifier why do I need a state and fed gov to
> also taxes me why should I pay so many people to be organic each one u
have
> to kiss up too and bow down too and they don't do shit to help u farm .
> they are all on a power trip. everyone is saying down with big
government
> yet these nuts gave the word organic to the USDA and took it away from
the
> people. power trippers. now they want to tell me not only what not to
use
> but also what to use. why don't they just come over and farm for me.
they
> all want to tell u what to do yet they don't do shit. paying all these
> guys supporting all these folks for what? you might like it I don't. if
I
> sell one avocado I have to pay a certifier ,a inspector, the state , the
> feds, the picking order tax on avocado etc. on and on I have to pay all
> these folks for selling avocados . and bow down to each one and fill out
> paper work for each one and pay each one year after year and thats not
all
> also the person I sell to also has to pay all these folks and do paper
work
> for all these folks just to carry my stuff. they get paid more for the
> avocados than me . they take the money right off the top. who need this
bs.
> then the avocados are taxed in the store once again. don't u guys think
> this is getting nuts. how many political pencil pusher does it take to
see
> that one small farm is organic. now they want to tell us how we have to
do
> it not just what not to use. bs
>
>
> sorry but bs
>
> check out a organic growers web page
> http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg & Lei Gunthorp <hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com>
> To: sanet <sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:26 AM
> Subject: Fw: Organic Standards for Livestock
>
>
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Sprinkraft@aol.com
> > > To: hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com
> > > Subject: Organic Standards for Livestock
> > > Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:34 AM
> > >
> > > Greg and Lei:
> > >
> As I recently wrote, there
> > are
> > > few concepts that can be considered "philosophical" in the law, but
crop
> > > rotations is one of them-and what needs to be uncovered is the
science
> > behind
> > > the prescription.
>
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