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Apologies for having to reach Lena by this route (original enquiry via
sanet). As you can see my message bounced, with some strange error messages
and comments. Lena, I hope this reaches you.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:17:27 -0700
From: "Anton Doroszenko (TL, Fld Crp)" <A.DOROSZENKO@CABI.ORG>
To: "'lena@ufrrj.br'" <lena@ufrrj.br>
Subject: .RE: Brazilian tomato problems cont.
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<<RE: Brazilian tomato problems cont.>>
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Anton Doroszenko, Team Leader, Field Crops
CAB International, Wallingford, Oxon, OX10 8DE, UK.
Tel: +44-1491-829366 Fax: +44-1491-833508
E-mail: a.doroszenko@cabi.org
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:17:27 -0700
From: "Doroszenko, Anton (CABI)" <A.DOROSZENKO@CABI.ORG>
Subject: RE: Brazilian tomato problems cont.
To: "'lena@ufrrj.br'" <lena@ufrrj.br>
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Dear Lena
Check out http://www.cabi.org/ for information on how to access our
databases. If you still have problems with access to our abstracts, go to
http://www.cabi.org/mail/webmast.htm for all the contact addresses. If you
do not have web access, try e-mailing marketing@cabi.org. They will provide
you with the best advice.
Anton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lena@ufrrj.br [SMTP:lena@ufrrj.br]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:49 PM
> To: Anton Doroszenko (TL, Fld Crp)
> Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
> Subject: RE: Brazilian tomato problems cont.
>
> Date sent: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:33:45 -0700
> From: "Anton Doroszenko (TL, Fld Crp)"
> <A.DOROSZENKO@CABI.ORG>
> Subject: RE: Brazilian tomato problems
> To: "'Douglas M. Hinds'" <dmhinds@acnet.net>,
> "Anita Graf (Staff)" <agraf@agecon.uga.edu>, sanet-
> mg@ces.ncsu.edu
> This sounds about right. There is apparently a small borer (more
> problematic) and a large borer.
> How can I get ahold of these CAB Asbracts from here? Is there
> access over the internet? Also, to add to the discussion. The area
> for planting is in the state of Rio de Janeiro on a plot of land that
> has been used for organic expiramentally agriculture (at the
> UFRRJ) for at least 10 years?? The area is lowland with hot, humid
> and rainy summers and cool, dry winters. I can check on the soil
> type if anyone is interested.
>
> Lena
> > I found 31 hits on the CAB ABSTRACTS database since 1984 (I didn't check
> > earlier than that). Most papers refer to Neoleucinodes elegantalis
> > (Lepidoptera: Pyraustidae) as "tomato fruit borer".
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Douglas M. Hinds [SMTP:dmhinds@acnet.net]
> > > Sent: 12 June 1999 07:16
> > > To: Anita Graf (Staff); sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
> > > Subject: Re: Brazilian tomato problems
> > >
> > >
> > > My bilingual CAB Lexicon of Entomological and Related Terms indicates
> that
> > > Neoleucinodes elegantalis (Gn.) is "a perforador del fruto del tomate"
> > > (the definition is from Venezuela), with NO English common name given,
> > > which suggests that this pest may be restricted to the Latin American
> > > tropics and is not certainly a fungus.
> > >
> > > A search of the University of Hawaii database using Carlweb turned up
> no
> > > matches, which reinforces that supposition. Using Uncover gave the
> same
> > > negative results. Is this pest similar to a pin worm or a grub or a
> > > weevil?
> > >
> > > On 11/06/99 at 2:43 PM Anita Graf (Staff) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Often times "sustainable" amounts to
> > > >figuring out if something ought to be grown in a specific place in
> > > >the first place.
> > >
> > > What criteria are you applying to whether "something ought to be grown
> in
> > > a specific place"?
> > >
> > > >it may be time to reasses the planting regime from the beginning.
> > >
> > > Could you do that for us?
> > >
> > > >Uh, not having anything technical to add to this discussion, I would
> > > >still like to make a comment.
> > >
> > > Obviously. But why? Was this what you consider to be a philosophic
> > > contribution, or perhaps metaphysical? You began with the following
> > > supposition that was far from established:
> > >
> > > >If soils are fertile and well cared for and other basic
> > > >sustainablity steps have been taken
> > >
> > > I suggest that attention be given toward resolving the underlying
> > > problems, rather than supposing a given crop - in this case, a
> tropical
> > > fruit with a multitude of varieties that have adapted to a multitude
> of
> > > soil and climatic conditions, "ought not be grown in a specific
> place".
> > >
> > > Lastly, a careful selection of seed sources for relatively resistant
> (to
> > > known local diseases), natural (not GMO) varieties is always a good
> place
> > > to start. The next step would be to contact the Brazilian /
> Portuguese
> > > equivalent of a "Centro de Investigacion sobre Control Biologico" or a
> > > "Laboratorio de Reproducion de Organismos Beneficos", in order to
> > > determine what they've got or could breed for you. (You will probably
> > > have anticipate the pests that are likely to attack and contract the
> > > breeding of both preventive and remedial beneficial organisms, to
> order.
> > > And may have to contract a series of tests first, in order to
> determine
> > > which variety or strain of which organism will prove most effective).
> > >
> > > Douglas Hinds
> > >
> > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
> > >
> > > On 11/06/99 at 2:43 PM Anita Graf (Staff) wrote:
> > >
> > > >> There are no really good remedies for it here, either. Late blight
> is a
> > > >> major problem for tomato and potato growers in some areas,
> regardless
> > > of
> > > >> what chemicals they use. We deal with it on our farm by using long
> > > >> rotations (five years) and strict field sanitation (all residues
> > > >> incorporated immediately after last harvest).
> > > >>
> > > >Uh, not having anything technical to add to this discussion, I would
> > > >still like to make a comment. Often times "sustainable" amounts to
> > > >figuring out if something ought to be grown in a specific place in
> > > >the first place. When nature starts a full-on combat of something,
> > > >it can sometimes mean that that something just isn't appropriate to
> > > >the area. If soils are fertile and well cared for and other basic
> > > >sustainablity steps have been taken and still it takes an arsenal of
> > > >toxic chemicals (organic or not) to get a harvest, it may be time to
> > > >reasses the planting regime from the beginning. Granted, I don't
> > > >think that this kind of thinking comes naturally to us humans who are
>
> > > >forever trying to fit square pegs into round holes, but it should be
> > > >considered.
> > > >
> > > >Anita
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Anita Graf
> > > >313-F Conner Hall
> > > >Dept. of Agricultural and Applied Economics
> > > >University of Georgia
> > > >Athens, GA 30602-7509
> > > >(706) 542-1915 phone
> > > >(706) 542-0739 fax
> > > >agraf@agecon.uga.edu
> > > >
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