> Howdy all--
>
> > >... I questioned whether organic ag should be basing its
> research questions solely on perceived "consumer demand,"
Solely no, partially si. The problem here is that pineapple has un
unusally short season when left to flower naturally - which I would agree,
is best; and this has repercussions that affect those who depend on the
crop for their livelihood. There are as yet unresolved conflicts there.
> Doug, and others, if you're going to come after me, kindly base it
> on things I've actually written, rather than what you think I've
> written. And kindly stick to what I've written, rather than your
> interpretations of that. This is not the first time this has happened
> on SANET.
That can happen and is best remedied by further clarification. Don't know
about coming after you though. In fact I had let it go. I replied to
Dales post and mentioned that I did feel you weren't taking into account
the same things I was, or weren't giving them the same weight. That's all.
> I raised a question about what "organic" means.
That too is an open question subject to individual interpretation and
measured by meaningful logic, examples, analogies and precedents.
> I based that question on the conversations I had with a couple-five
> dozen organic farmers in Salem, Oregon, last month, at the Farmer
> Cooperative Genome Project meetings. Not to mention my own
> experience as a (noncertified) organic grower over the past 25 years.
> And many conversations with organic growers, inspectors, and others,
> over the past 20 years.
I'm sure there was a basis for it and respect you opinion but in the case
of pineapple's flowering, there are other intervening factors that to my
mind take precedent. I'm much more concerned with the metabolic imbalance
that exists in grafted trees and their fruit, but I'm not calling for the
market for them to be wiped out, because that would create havoc within the
existing industry, even if I don't eat the stuff myself. (Which I don't).
I WOULD like to see select seedling fruit available on the market and
labeled as such. That's the only beginning that makes sense to me.
As a corollary, pineapple from plants whose flowering was not induced could
be marketed as such, and in that way consumers could become educated as to
the fact that there IS a difference, and make up their own minds as to the
importance of that. I myself DO eat pineapple who's flowering was induced,
but DON'T eat pineapple whose maturation was accelerated, nor pineapple
whose maturation was retarded. And there are both philosophical and
pragmatic reasons for my taking that position.
> As for Grace and me being called "girls," the dictionary definition
> of that term is "A female who has not yet attained womanhood." This
> would not be the first time that a man attempted to infantilize women
> with whom he disagrees, or by whom he has been piqued. But it is very
> dismaying to see such disrespect among this group.
No disrespect whatsoever was meant as far as you are concerned by that
statement, and I think I'm the appropriate one to speak for my own
motivation. Aside from that, im MY dictionary (Webster's New World College
Edition, 1959); defintion # 2 is: A young unmarried WOMAN (emphasis added),
while definition # 4 is: A woman of any age, married or single. (I will
be happy to share my dictionary with you).
> Finally, Doug, you wrote:
>
> > Mishas is not fazed by my "constructive" criticism for 3 reasons:
> >
> > She is a mature and thoughtful person.
> > She knows I like her.
> > She knows I'm right, in this instance.
>
> It is presumptuous in the extreme to speak of another person in this
> way. If you want to know what I'm feeling or how I'm interpreting,
> kindly ask me. It is not up to you to represent my, or anyone's,
> feelings, opinions, or interpretations, to this group or elsewhere.
> You do not know what I know.
One the one hand, I said that somewhat tongue in cheek. On the other, I
can do that and let you correct it. And on the third hand, my intuition in
relation to your reactions may have a basis and could be accurate.
> Of course, what matters above all is that you be right.
What matters is that I MAY be right. But obviously, you have something to
say about that too. The MOST important issue is being sincere, and
congruent (sez me).
> peace
> misha
Agreed.
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