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>From: "Gord Hawkes" <logcabinorchard@cyberus.ca>
>To: "Greg David" <prairiedf@globaldialog.com>,
<sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu>, "Daniel Worley" <dan.worley@mindless.com>
>Subject: Wow
>Date: Sat, Mar 27, 1999, 8:54 AM
>
>Marxism, Capitalism, Democracy, government, politics, philosophical navel
>gazing, is this the forum for this type of discussion? Could I suggest
>that maybe those willing to discuss issues that are on the periphery of
>sustainable agriculture do so among themselves. Don't get me wrong, I'm
>not trying to stifle your freedom of speech and yes, I too have a delete
>key which allows me to be selective. But, can we steer discussion back to
>the issues of good old sustainable agriculture? I'm ready for the
>onslaught of comments and maybe I'm in the minority here, but thought I'd
>share my view. Maybe, if your discussion deals with subject matter that
>doesn't fall within the realm of sustainable agriculture you identify this
>in Subject line.
>
>Just my $.02 worth.
>
>Gord Hawkes
>Log Cabin Orchard
>Osgoode, Ontario
>Canada
>
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>> From: Daniel Worley <dan.worley@mindless.com>
>> To: Greg David <prairiedf@globaldialog.com>; sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: A New Perspective of...
>> Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 3:06 AM
>>
>> At 08:47 3/25/99 -0600, Greg David wrote:
>>
>> >For any system to function, it first of all, has to be a democracy. We
>no
>> >longer have that here. We have an oligarchy, or as Jim Hightower likes
>to
>> >say, 'A cleptocracy...Government by Thieves".
>> >
>> >Capitalism, socialism, communism and any other 'ism', will not work
>unless
>> >it is based in democracy! The experiments based on Carl Marx's work were
>not
>> >democratic, and they failed. But that does not mean that a democratic
>form
>> >of socialism could not work.
>> >
>> >And I'm not saying that is what I endorse. I think a democratic
>capitalistic
>> >system, that is held accountable for it's action could be a very
>pausible
>> >for of government.
>>
>> You have some very good points Greg (including much of what I clipped
>> out). I would like to take minor exception with one point though.
>> Democracy when applied to anything larger than a small community, is too
>> unwieldy to work and is only one very small step above anarchy.
>>
>> What we are supposed to have in the US (and no longer do have) is a
>> Republic. I will not attempt to go into the differences here, nor how we
>> got away from the original republic to the current modified democracy
>with
>> the extremely powerful corporations actually running things from behind
>the
>> scenes for the indecent profit for a few elite. But a part of the
>methods
>> used are the same as those being used to attempt to justify the use of
>> prison labor for profit. And a controlled press is a major part of that.
>>
>>
>> --Dan in Sunny Puerto Rico--
>> dan.worley@mindless.com
>>
>>
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