Wow

Gord Hawkes (logcabinorchard@cyberus.ca)
Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:54:18 -0500

Marxism, Capitalism, Democracy, government, politics, philosophical navel
gazing, is this the forum for this type of discussion? Could I suggest
that maybe those willing to discuss issues that are on the periphery of
sustainable agriculture do so among themselves. Don't get me wrong, I'm
not trying to stifle your freedom of speech and yes, I too have a delete
key which allows me to be selective. But, can we steer discussion back to
the issues of good old sustainable agriculture? I'm ready for the
onslaught of comments and maybe I'm in the minority here, but thought I'd
share my view. Maybe, if your discussion deals with subject matter that
doesn't fall within the realm of sustainable agriculture you identify this
in Subject line.

Just my $.02 worth.

Gord Hawkes
Log Cabin Orchard
Osgoode, Ontario
Canada

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> From: Daniel Worley <dan.worley@mindless.com>
> To: Greg David <prairiedf@globaldialog.com>; sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu
> Subject: Re: A New Perspective of...
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 3:06 AM
>
> At 08:47 3/25/99 -0600, Greg David wrote:
>
> >For any system to function, it first of all, has to be a democracy. We
no
> >longer have that here. We have an oligarchy, or as Jim Hightower likes
to
> >say, 'A cleptocracy...Government by Thieves".
> >
> >Capitalism, socialism, communism and any other 'ism', will not work
unless
> >it is based in democracy! The experiments based on Carl Marx's work were
not
> >democratic, and they failed. But that does not mean that a democratic
form
> >of socialism could not work.
> >
> >And I'm not saying that is what I endorse. I think a democratic
capitalistic
> >system, that is held accountable for it's action could be a very
pausible
> >for of government.
>
> You have some very good points Greg (including much of what I clipped
> out). I would like to take minor exception with one point though.
> Democracy when applied to anything larger than a small community, is too
> unwieldy to work and is only one very small step above anarchy.
>
> What we are supposed to have in the US (and no longer do have) is a
> Republic. I will not attempt to go into the differences here, nor how we
> got away from the original republic to the current modified democracy
with
> the extremely powerful corporations actually running things from behind
the
> scenes for the indecent profit for a few elite. But a part of the
methods
> used are the same as those being used to attempt to justify the use of
> prison labor for profit. And a controlled press is a major part of that.
>
>
> --Dan in Sunny Puerto Rico--
> dan.worley@mindless.com
>
>
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