Greetings, All!
Upon return from a brief business outing, I am interested to find such wide response
to my last post on Y2K.
What I would submit to everyone and for all of us is,
Promote the revival of the culture of community. We are all here together. Yes, some
choose to live in non-sustainable situations such as high-rise towers. And they may
choose to hold on to that lifestyle tightly. Does that then mean we say to them,
"I'll be around to watch your fall?" Or, "You must understand I need to convert
you?"
Nope, neither. But these people are our community. Refinding what that means to each
of us and finding all the creative ways to reintroduce our neighbors and ourselves
to each other seems to me to be the big lesson in this whole discussion.
diane
Gary Elliott wrote:
> Beth and Dan
> What Y2K frenzy? The mechanics of modern life were built with a flaw in it.
> Simply put. If we had a frenzy, perhaps we would not need to face the troubling
> times we will. We will survive, the question I posed to the list is whether or
> not we want to have the influence we could.
>
> Now you backtrack on your statement on wanting to enjoy the show. Not a lot of
> intellectual honesty happening in you statements, I am afraid. You seem to
> really want to to see the status quo become untenable. So do I. It is just that
> somewhere done the line, you lost the ability, or desire, to influence. I have
> not. And that is were we differ.
>
> What are you doing to influence those high risers that can be such a challenge
> to you? It appears that you would prefer to look down your nose at them. I still
> think they can be influenced. It takes something more from all of us than we
> have been prepared to give, up to now. Let us foment a revolution of mind, so
> that the goals we have in common become acceptable. Because they are not now.
> That is you fault, and mine.
>
> Maybe we should stop revelling in other peoples ignorance and potential
> misfortune. It is all about communication of our valid ideas.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Gary Elliott
>
> Dan Hook wrote:
>
> > I agree with everything written below. Oh and when I said I was going to
> > enjoy "the show" I didn't mean sitting in my castle eating a side of beef
> > while the wold burns I meant enjoy the fizzling out of this Y2k frenzy. Oh
> > my neighbors in the high rises; I was refering to those by choice. They
> > could choose now or in the past to pursue a more sustainable life even
> > tiny steps like buy local as noted in "Farm of the Future Revisited". I
> > still am not worried big business has more invested than I. Should this be
> > a wake up call to John and Jane Q. Public that their lifestyle is a little
> > fragile, yup. Will it probably not. Beth
> >
> > >Dear Gary,
> > >
> > >Your posting on y2k was not enough to convince me. It seems to me as if it
> > >is in big biz's best interest to anticipate any potential problems and fix
> > >them so they can continue running that wheel of capital across the land.
> > Any
> > >dispute over the matter will be resolved soon enough.
> > >
> > >I must take issue with your use of one word in particular:
> > >>The technical boys ... jury rigged a computer system over the past 35
> > years not
> > >>thinking there might be anything so niggardly as a century change to
> > >>come down the pike.
> > >
> > >"Niggardly" is a very old-fashioned word that means "grudgingly reluctant
> > to
> > >spend or grant" or "stingy." Because of its close association with the word
> > >"nigger", an extremely offensive epithet, I would avoid its use unless
> > there
> > >were absolutely no other word that would convey the same meaning.
> > >Unfortunately, the way you use it isn't even correct. I wonder what exactly
> > >you do mean by that word.
> > >
> > >I appreciate your social perspective and desire for change, yet some of
> > your
> > >language put up red flags for me.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Jane Sooby
> > >
> > >University of Nebraska-Lincoln alternative crops research technician
> > >Nebraska Sustainable Agriculture Society western organizer
> > >
> > >High Plains Ag Lab
> > >3257 Rd. 109
> > >Sidney, NE 69162
> > >
> > >308-254-3918
> > >308-254-2402 (FAX)
> > >308-254-0725 (HOME)
> > >
> >
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Greetings, All!
Upon return from a brief business outing, I am interested to find such
wide response to my last post on Y2K.
What I would submit to everyone and for all of us is,
Promote the revival of the culture of community. We are all here together.
Yes, some choose to live in non-sustainable situations such as high-rise
towers. And they may choose to hold on to that lifestyle tightly. Does
that then mean we say to them, "I'll be around to watch your fall?" Or,
"You must understand I need to convert you?"
Nope, neither. But these people are our community. Refinding
what that means to each of us and finding all the creative ways to reintroduce
our neighbors and ourselves to each other seems to me to be the big lesson
in this whole discussion.
diane
Gary Elliott wrote:
Beth and Dan
What Y2K frenzy? The mechanics of modern life were built with a flaw in it.
Simply put. If we had a frenzy, perhaps we would not need to face the troubling
times we will. We will survive, the question I posed to the list is whether or
not we want to have the influence we could.Now you backtrack on your statement on wanting to enjoy the show. Not a lot of
intellectual honesty happening in you statements, I am afraid. You seem to
really want to to see the status quo become untenable. So do I. It is just that
somewhere done the line, you lost the ability, or desire, to influence. I have
not. And that is were we differ.What are you doing to influence those high risers that can be such a challenge
to you? It appears that you would prefer to look down your nose at them. I still
think they can be influenced. It takes something more from all of us than we
have been prepared to give, up to now. Let us foment a revolution of mind, so
that the goals we have in common become acceptable. Because they are not now.
That is you fault, and mine.Maybe we should stop revelling in other peoples ignorance and potential
misfortune. It is all about communication of our valid ideas.Sincerely
Gary Elliott
Dan Hook wrote:
> I agree with everything written below. Oh and when I said I was going to
> enjoy "the show" I didn't mean sitting in my castle eating a side of beef
> while the wold burns I meant enjoy the fizzling out of this Y2k frenzy. Oh
> my neighbors in the high rises; I was refering to those by choice. They
> could choose now or in the past to pursue a more sustainable life even
> tiny steps like buy local as noted in "Farm of the Future Revisited". I
> still am not worried big business has more invested than I. Should this be
> a wake up call to John and Jane Q. Public that their lifestyle is a little
> fragile, yup. Will it probably not. Beth
>
> >Dear Gary,
> >
> >Your posting on y2k was not enough to convince me. It seems to me as if it
> >is in big biz's best interest to anticipate any potential problems and fix
> >them so they can continue running that wheel of capital across the land.
> Any
> >dispute over the matter will be resolved soon enough.
> >
> >I must take issue with your use of one word in particular:
> >>The technical boys ... jury rigged a computer system over the past 35
> years not
> >>thinking there might be anything so niggardly as a century change to
> >>come down the pike.
> >
> >"Niggardly" is a very old-fashioned word that means "grudgingly reluctant
> to
> >spend or grant" or "stingy." Because of its close association with the word
> >"nigger", an extremely offensive epithet, I would avoid its use unless
> there
> >were absolutely no other word that would convey the same meaning.
> >Unfortunately, the way you use it isn't even correct. I wonder what exactly
> >you do mean by that word.
> >
> >I appreciate your social perspective and desire for change, yet some of
> your
> >language put up red flags for me.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> >Jane Sooby
> >
> >University of Nebraska-Lincoln alternative crops research technician
> >Nebraska Sustainable Agriculture Society western organizer
> >
> >High Plains Ag Lab
> >3257 Rd. 109
> >Sidney, NE 69162
> >
> >308-254-3918
> >308-254-2402 (FAX)
> >308-254-0725 (HOME)
> >
>
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