mbox-30: Re: postscript to Y2K

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Now, Sanet'ers, we are part of the problem. For a group of people who =
supposedly understand the interconnectedness of everything in this =
world, we have been strangely silent on this y2k problem. We continually =
preach about the interconnectedness of things, and how we need to live =
our lives more sustainably and yet, as a movement, we seem to remain =
silent on the biggest societal mishap humans have created. Whether we =
like it or not, our civilization has created a crude version of Mother =
Nature. We can all agree it is not sustainable, and here is an =
opportunity for us to point this out. As in most cases, our thinking =
does not go deep enough. Too much sustainable baggage, I am afraid.

The above is part of Gary Elliotts previous post. This Y2k thing does =
not have me very worried. In all honesty I'm not completely sure why =
but I think it because: Most of my childhood was spent computer free I =
had a bank account, I went to the grocery store with my mother, I assume =
the stock market was marketing all without computers. Some of those non =
tech wizards are still alive and if things got really tough could show =
us how to get off line . We could survive as a modern society without =
computers. We did not go from caves to computers there we lots of =
"modern" years in-between. I of course know that too much info has been =
taking out of low tech filing cabinets and put into computers or was =
never in a filing cabinet to start with and it in danger of getting lost =
in the Ethernet, but I really do think they'll find it.
Ok Jan 1 00 the computers really do crash. Hello its not and earth =
quake. The buildings, roads, trees, cars, trucks, houses, farm animals, =
gardens(warm climates), will still be here. And your telling me we as =
humans will be paralyzed because none of the computers work. Ok I will =
agree the electrically service disruption would pose problems, heat, =
water pumps won't work etc. However I live in the north east we've been =
without power before. Ok only for a few days or even (in Maine) a few =
weeks. But quite frankly I don't see power disrupted any longer than =
that. Remember those guys in the distant past who could power cities =
without computers they're hired.

Interconnectedness of everything in the word: Yes the natural word in =
interconnect, the earth is actually one unit not a broken collection of =
countries, what pollutes or disrupts the US will ripple elsewhere, =
distruction of rainforest isn't doing us any good. But =
interconnectedness in regards to the computer doesn't have the same ring =
to me. All the computers could blow up and the natural world could care =
less (they might be glad). Computers allow humans to live might I say =
independent of the natural world. Interconnectedness of computers =
allows ease in business and finances and utilies. Of any group Saneter =
are probably less preoccupied with this stuff than the rest of the =
population hence their hohum attitude. The other reason: how many of =
us Sanets on this list are farmers live on or own a farm or belong to a =
local CSA. I live on a farm by next Jan 1 I will have stored a good =
amount of produce be it canned dried or frozen (electricity goes off its =
January frozen food goes outside). We just bought a 210 gallon tank, =
no not to safeguard against y2k but to collect maple sap, although I =
looked at it and thought I just might fill it up no big whoop, it has a =
drain should it be unnecessary. We will most likely have built our Root =
cellar (totally independent of the Y2k thing) so that our winter veggies =
won't mush (they are not liking my warmish basement). Besides veggies =
we raise beef, one of which will be in the freezer. We have 3 horses =
and sleigh and a wagon should gas become unavailable. See why I just =
can't get too hyper. I agree with the fellow on the web page, if any =
problems arise a month tops. This probably is the wrong group to try to =
rile up. If I lived in a high rise apartment had no idea how to grow or =
store food or no room to store much food I might be a bit more worried. =
I just feel like the weather men women are predicting a huge blizzard =
I'll be prepare but mostly I'll enjoy the show. Anyone else unworried? =
Beth

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Now, Sanet'ers, we are part of the problem. For a group of people = who=20 supposedly understand the interconnectedness of everything in this = world, we=20 have been strangely silent on this y2k problem. We continually preach = about the=20 interconnectedness of things, and how we need to live our lives more = sustainably=20 and yet, as a movement, we seem to remain silent on the biggest = societal =20 mishap humans have created. Whether we like it or not, our civilization = has=20 created a crude version of Mother Nature. We can all agree it is not=20 sustainable, and here is an opportunity for us to point this out. As in = most=20 cases, our thinking does not go deep enough. Too much sustainable = baggage, I am=20 afraid.

The above is part of Gary Elliotts previous post. This Y2k = thing does=20 not have me very worried. In all honesty I'm not completely sure = why but I=20 think it because: Most of my childhood was spent computer free I had a = bank=20 account, I went to the grocery store with my mother, I assume the stock = market=20 was marketing all without computers. Some of those non tech = wizards are=20 still alive and if things got really tough could show us how to get off = line=20 . We could survive as a modern society without computers. We = did not=20 go from caves to computers there we lots of "modern" years=20 in-between. I of course know that too much info has been taking = out of low=20 tech filing cabinets and put into computers or was never in a filing = cabinet to=20 start with and it in danger of getting lost in the Ethernet, but I = really do=20 think they'll find it.

Ok Jan 1 00 the computers really do crash. Hello its not and = earth=20 quake. The buildings, roads, trees, cars, trucks, houses, farm = animals,=20 gardens(warm climates), will still be here. And your telling me we = as=20 humans will be paralyzed because none of the computers work. Ok I = will=20 agree the electrically service disruption would pose problems, heat, = water pumps=20 won't work etc. However I live in the north east we've been = without power=20 before. Ok only for a few days or even (in Maine) a few weeks. But = quite=20 frankly I don't see power disrupted any longer than that. Remember = those=20 guys in the distant past who could power cities without computers = they're=20 hired.

Interconnectedness of everything in the word: Yes the natural = word in=20 interconnect, the earth is actually one unit not a broken collection of=20 countries, what pollutes or disrupts the US will ripple elsewhere, = distruction=20 of rainforest isn't doing us any good. But interconnectedness in = regards=20 to the computer doesn't have the same ring to me. All the = computers could=20 blow up and the natural world could care less (they might be = glad). =20 Computers allow humans to live might I say independent of the natural=20 world. Interconnectedness of computers allows ease in business and = finances and utilies. Of any group Saneter are probably less = preoccupied=20 with this stuff than the rest of the population hence their hohum=20 attitude. The other reason: how many of us Sanets on this = list are=20 farmers live on or own a farm or belong to a local CSA. I live on = a farm=20 by next Jan 1 I will have stored a good amount of produce be it canned = dried or=20 frozen (electricity goes off its January frozen food goes=20 outside). We just bought a 210 gallon tank, no not to=20 safeguard against y2k but to collect maple sap, although I looked at it = and=20 thought I just might fill it up no big whoop, it has a drain should it = be=20 unnecessary. We will most likely have built our Root cellar (totally = independent=20 of the Y2k thing) so that our winter veggies won't mush (they are not = liking my=20 warmish basement). Besides veggies we raise beef, one of which = will be in=20 the freezer. We have 3 horses and sleigh and a wagon should gas = become=20 unavailable. See why I just can't get too hyper. I agree = with the=20 fellow on the web page, if any problems arise a month tops. This = probably=20 is the wrong group to try to rile up. If I lived in a high rise = apartment=20 had no idea how to grow or store food or no room to store much food I = might be a=20 bit more worried. I just feel like the weather men women are = predicting a=20 huge blizzard I'll be prepare but mostly I'll enjoy the show. = Anyone else=20 unworried? Beth