Re: Organic Standards
Sal (sals@rain.org)
Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:29:02 -0800
There is no due process now. in the state of Ca. if you don't fill out the
paper work and dot the I and cross the t's and pay the fee , they just don't
issue your organic registration renewal . so you have to please both Ray
Green and your certifier and soon the fed. government and it makes no
difference how organic you are these folks can stop you from selling organic
just because they don't like you or what your saying. This is what it is
come to not if you are organic but if you bow down .If they don't like your
politics your burnt bread. There is no hearing they just do not renew you
registration or they send someone out to mess with you head. this due
process is a smoke screen like the whole USDA standard. This is the second
round and 8 years later and if you want to keep playing their little game
you will lose. You don't get due process in the State of Ca. and you will
not get it from the feds. you can pass the CCOF inspection and be as
organic as anyone if they don't like you they can make your life a hell on
earth because the power to regulate is the power to destroy. and they don't
even know what organic is or they would stop their own wickedness. .They
(the USDA and the STATE of Ca. are hypocrites. They don't care about
organic growing . The due process is a joke. it is a stall . You get no
hearing no nothing just a letter that says we are unable to issue your
organic registration. that is it. love it or leave it. this is politics not
righteousness. Do you really think that growers have due process. DAaaa
you have to please everyone with their hand out and you have to kiss
everyone's hinny and pay everyone off. .Due process that is a joke. make
someone mad any where along the line and you are out I don't care how
organic you are. They can and do make your life hell just because you will
not bow down to them. They can single you out for harassment in a hot min.
If you have a big mouth like me I don't care how organic you are you have to
kiss up and bow down and even though you know they are the hypocrites and
they are the liars with their mythel bromine gassing, insecticide spraying
old tember clear cutting bad morals and ethics still you have to bow down
to them. No one expects due process . They steal\ the word organic and are
making it their word where is the due process it that. They are trying to
steal our Certifiers and our inspectors our words and our ideals. .
Pacific tree gets 300 citations and is still in bed with the government and
still clear cutting yet the organic farmer gets no due processes. NONE
only fees and hoops to jump through. Organic standards from hypocrites are
never going to be fair to the grower it is just another way to shut the
people up and suck up their hard earned money just another way to bleed the
turnips. . Thank you for you payment However we are unable to issue your
organic registration .no hearing no nothing. Pay them fees and dance
their dance. due process that is a joke. The power to regulate is the
power to destroy. how many bureaucratic pencil pushers does one have to pay
off just to tell the truth to the folks you sell too. make a inspector mad
you dead meat make a certifier mad your dead meat make The state of ca. mad
you dead in the water make the feds mad and you out of luck. how organic
you are has nothing to do with it. due process that is a joke. . They are
just bring up due process to divide the Certifiers from the growers. trying
to make the growers think that it is the Certifiers that want to not give
them due process .The thinking papers did not even talk about the real meat
of the standard . Synthetics in Processing. Inerts etc. The USDA staffers
are using thinking papers as a stall and a chance to once again manipulate
the people . 8 years and this is what we get thinking papers. I say lets
do what has worked for us all along and abandon implementation and go to an
independent standard and regulatory system. Independent of
politics,independent of hard money and soft money and back door money. Get
the USDA/OGC/OMB monkey off our back. Get the state of Ca. out of our
pocket too while your at it . there is no reason to have to bow to both a
certifier and the state of Ca. for the same dam thing. That is called
double dipping double taxing just for selling organic. eather the state of
Ca. certifies or an independent certifier why should the grower pay both for
the same dam thing. I was inspected twice in one week. the way it is now
we the growers a stuck between a rock and a hard place. We are already over
regulated in Ca. and there is so many folks that have their hand out it is
not even funny. Can't anyone else see how crazy this is getting. Vote for
option 3. and save us all a lot of time.
.
check out a organic growers web page
http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Edna M Weigel <eweigel@juno.com>
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu <sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 11:46 AM
Subject: Organic Standards
.> About decertification, I am torn between the need to let a
>certifier withdraw certification (and maybe even recall product) as soon
>as violation is discovered and the need to provide "due process" in case
>some certifying agent has an axe to grind (or maybe even accepts a bribe
>from a competitor). I have no idea how to handle this administratively.
> I have lots of sympathy for the argument that big government
>should stay out of the organic certification business and the
>criminalizing of certifying to higher standards is absolutely repulsive
>to me. However, if I understand the enabling legislation correctly, it
>would literally take another act of congress to change either of these
>two things and I don't think we have the lobbying clout to make it
>happen. I believe our best bet is to stand up and be counted when they
>(the USDA influenced by various lobbyists) try to water down the
>standards.
> I hope to see some discussion on these subjects, especially the
>decertification process and the length of time animals should be withheld
>from organic production when they require medication.
>Best regards, Edna Weigel
>
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