I agree with you in general but in my case but I do talk that way and if you'll
notice, I've used my own language, rather than referring to terms used
primarily when studying (rather than doing) the history of philosophy, which I
tend to forget anyway. (Although for my part, others are free to use them).
In short, I've intentionally tried to ground the whole issue in practical
terms, which can never the less be a little confusing when dealing in
generalities. Nothing added below. DH
Andrew McGuire wrote:
> To Misha, Dale, Douglas, Lion, and now Bruce. I have resisted the urge to
> respond to your conversation until now, but it has become too much. Is
> this how you speak in everyday life? Maybe I am lacking in vocabulary but
> I do not understand much of what you write. Do you really have to write
> like this or is it just an opportunity to use new words? I know I could
> just delete your messages but I hope some of what you are saying is worth
> listening to. I think good communicators can say wise things to people
> without causing them to reach for a dictionary. Does anyone else feel this
> way? As an example, the paragraph below starting "As I recall...," what
> is all that?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Andy McGuire, Extension Educator
> amcguire@unlvm.unl.edu
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>
> On Wednesday, July 29, 1998 2:04 AM, Bruce Bacon [SMTP:bbacon@mtn.org]
> wrote:
> > What a wonderful nostalgia for the mid 60's appropriation of "paradigm"
> > shifts from astonomy to social science wafted through memory! HOW can
> > information be reciprocal of entropy? Paradigm is another name for
> culture
> > construct. It was the time when cybernetics made sense of system,
> feedback
> > a criterion. Two heroes illumined the arcane epicycles of what defines a
> > social system:
> > * R.B. Fuller defined entropy as "...the first subdivision of the
> > universe, into inside the system and outside the system."
> > ** Norbert Weiner defined entropy as "...regions in phase-space."
> >
> > As I recall, the helpful lesson in this to be the necessity of
> > 'point-of-view' as an irreducible construct for placing self and others
> in
> > a dramatic historical and everyday cultural nexus. Either experience or
> > knowledge, freedom, even imagination and dreams, is a product of a lived
> > life, pragmatic and existential.
> > The folk aphorism about walking a trail in another's moccasin's
> as
> > a guide to understanding and antidote to projective judgment is an apt
> > summary.
> >
> > So I suppose today's lesson is that 'sustainability' is about erudite
> > discourse as well as nutrition and soil humus.
> > I'm also fond of Luce Irigaray's cautionary definition of 'dementia' as a
> > the condition when one is not able to say anything other than what has
> been
> > heard.
> > One of my favored erudite discussions of this paradigm shift is a
> > book from the 70's, titled System and Structure (out of print last time I
> > checked) by an author from Simon Fraser Univ or Univ B C whose name
> escapes
> > me now. My highlighted and annotated copy burned up in a fire, or maybe I
> > loaned it.
> > So thanks for the impassioned discussion; my razor is 'point of
> view'.
> >
> >
> >
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