.....On the other hand, I agreed from the start that the
change is going incremental in most cases, and that there are a number
of grey rather than black and white issues involved. But this is not to
say there are no absolute truths. And I see no reason for any hard
Thanks, I don't want to elicit hard feelings either. On some aspects,
we may just have to agree to disagree. What is interesting is the
depth, and sincerity of the disagreement. For example, you said:
> I find some of your assertions incredible, unreal; but not
> without their element of humor. Just don't expect me to swallow all
> of it. Itīs soometimes hard enough to believe you're even saying
> these things. You may well be a swell guy, good buddy and down to
> earth family man. I have nothing against you personally. I just
> can't take all of what you say seriously and do find some of it
> I became exasperated by some of your statements. I did not mean
> that you necessarily had no vision, but rather that it was either a
> vastly different perspective or (possibly) a lack of vision - or a
> little of both
I feel much the same way about you, and much of what I read on SANET.
This level of disagreement is unsettling to many people. Yet...
> I would agree that all assumptions must be continually
> re-examined, in practice.
I agree completely with you (isn't that refreshing :^D).
...am going to have to let someone else do the stats for
now (I've got projects to get out the door), and in any case I think my
case would be best made in a court of law - meaning I'd be most useful
working at that level (activist), rather than by accumulating further
> I'm not going to use it or reccomend it's use to anyone
> [literature citations], so maybe you shouldn't bother. (It might to
> interesting to know who funded those studies, though). I am opposed
> to DDT as a matter of principle
So you are unwilling to re-examine your technical assumptions?
> My approach to agriculture is coming from a different
> perspective, which in general terms could be considered evolutionary.
> (I recommend your reading a recent post of Micha's on that subject, if
> you haven't done so).
I tend to agree. The technical issues are somewhat beside the point,
because your intuitions and deep feelings about this and related issues
are driven by philosophical assumptions that I doubt you have critically
I certainly have read Misha's beautifully written post. It expresses a
particular kind of philosophical foundation that is itself an artifact
of modernity. The organicist, historicist, and ultimately dualistic
habit of thought to which you and many on this list subscribe, leads to
the gut feelings and intuitions in which you place so much trust. Would
you like to discuss these philosophical assumptions?
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