Re: How does organic differ from sustainable ag?

Douglas Hinds (dmhinds@acnet.net)
Fri, 22 May 1998 20:55:53 -0500

Good data and perspective, but yield and monetary cost differences are only part
of the picture. Were any studies included on nutritional content and / or animal
health? (Regarding the latter, obviously I'm referring to studies done on animal
groups raised exclusively on food cultivated one way or the other). Another
interesting area would be physical, mental and psychological performance of
individuals and groups fed products cultivated under different systems.

These are all relevant factors. Quantifying "Quality of Life" in concrete terms
is a real issue and unfortunately, those who aren't personally familiar with the
effects of consuming a diet based on fresh picked, biologically cultivated food
have little basis for comparison. For the figures to reflect real meaning,
comprehensive criteria must be applied. In short - the juries still out because
the research is still far from complete. In fact, many significant variables
have yet to be plainly identified.

DH

Sean Clark wrote:

> At 05:32 PM 5/22/98 -0500, Sheryl Swink wrote:
> >How about it, fellow sanet-mg folks? Do you, especially those who are
> >producers (not just consumers, researcher/extensionists, and interested
> >digesters like myself), find that this is a generalizable fact? Or has it
> >become a myth? What is the current state of affairs in terms of yield
> >comparisons between organic and conventional methods? Are there now
> >reliable organic practices by which farmers are regularly attaining or
> >surpassing expected conventional yields onece past the transition stage?
> >Anyone have any current research data/references to address this issue?
> >
>
> Sheryl,
>
> Organic crop yields are sometimes lower than conventional yields due to
> inadequate (N) nitrogen availability or excessive weed competition,
> particularly during the transition, but this really depends on alot of
> interacting and site-specific factors. Stanhill (1990) reviewed about 200
> studies comparing organic and conventional cropping systems in Europe and N.
> America and found that organic yields averaged about 9-10% less. This is an
> interesting and important finding but may not tell you much about a specific
> region or crop due to geographic differences in soils, climate, pest
> pressures, farmer experience and support, market demands, etc. The results
> of studies coming out since then have been variable.
>
> At the Sustainable Agriculture Farming Systems (SAFS) project at the
> University of California at Davis, we've had lower organic corn and tomato
> yields (compared to conventional years) in some years due to N
> immobilization by soil biota and weed pressure. However, bean yields have
> often been higher under organic management.
>
> Nitrogen mineralization/immobilization is sometimes less predictable in
> organic systems and may present problems for crops with high N demands, such
> as corn. However, after 10 years of farming organically these soils have
> been pretty consistent in supplying adequate N. Last year we had a weed
> problem in the organic corn plots. Crow damage at germination resulted in
> poor stands in the organic and conventional treatments. Consequently, weed
> pressure was high due to the gaps. Herbicides were used in the conventional
> system to prevent yield loss but no economically feasible control options
> were available in the organic system once the corn was too high to cultivate.
>
> Organic tomato yields at the SAFS site have equalled conventional yields
> over the last few years. Weeds can be hand hoed out of this high-value crop
> and other pest groups (insects, nematodes, and diseases) are not a problem.
> This is not the case in the eastern U.S., however, where diseases can be a
> real problem in the humid climate.
>
> Overall, the findings of the SAFS project indicate that equal crop yields
> can eventually be achieved in this area with organic methods but that
> economic risk may be greater, particularly during the transition, and
> production costs may be higher, depending upon the crop.
>
> Stanhill 1990. The comparitive productivity of organic agriculture.
> Agriculture Ecosystems & Environment 30: 1-26.
>
> M. Sean Clark
> Research Manager
> Sustainable Agriculture Farming Systems Project
> Department of Agronomy and Range Science
> University of California
> Davis, CA 95616
> msclark@ucdavis.edu
> TEL:(530) 752-2023
> FAX:(530) 752-4361
>
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