Re: More ideology

Betsy Levy (blevy@mail.utexas.edu)
Wed, 20 May 1998 11:15:50 -0500

I think this exchange is becoming too heated and personal to be
constructive. I agree wholeheartedly that no one solution will solve all
problems - as I said in my last message, a conversation about panaceas is
bound to be a very silly conversation. I think you are inferring things
that are particularly upsetting to you and attributing them to me, rather
than responding to the actual exchange. I'm disappointed that you felt you
had to resort insults. Maybe we can have a more interesting and worthwhile
exchange sometime in the future.

Betsy

At 10:57 AM 5/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>CSAs and other arrangements between local growers and local consumers most
>certainly have a lot of merit ... but not everywhere, not for everyone, not
>for every situation. Just because you have a great hammer, it doesn't
>necessarily follow that every problem in the world is a nail. The attempt
>to claim that the world would be a much happier place if communities were
>simply integrated into geographically local agricultural cooperatives is
>naive or worse. I believe that it is disruptive to other attempts to build
>community on many different levels -- levels that are definitely NOT
>geographically local. At some point, someone needs to inject a tiny dose
>of sanity into what seems to be an ideologically zealous and narrow
>discussion.
>
>I live in an area where I am surrounded by family farming operations -- and
>all of our families have known each other for more than a hundred years
>(probably much more if you consider that our immigrant ancestors settled
>around people who they knew). Part of my motivation for being engaged in
>sustainable agriculture is that I would like to help these people who are
>my neighbors, friends and, in many cases, relatives.
>
>Read my earlier post again ... and try to drop your ideological baggage
>before assessing my motives, okay? There are farms and farmplaces and
>farmland everywhere I look. I cannot see or hear evidence of a city from
>my farm except for the distant grain elevator about seven miles away. I
>KNOW exactly what the outcome of attempting to market produce locally is in
>this region ... my knowledge of the market is based on over ten years in
>the market. It is not based on what I've read in my favorite magazine or
>bullshit I've heard about from friends down at the campus coffeehouse or
>what I'd really like to believe or even what I know works in a very
>different economic / social / cultural environments.
>
>My customers were not affluent enough to be able to afford any price
>premium and I certainly didn't ask for it. (Most of them were widows
>living in small rural towns on a Social Security check.) They also simply
>did not care about whether or not something was organic or not (but they
>definitely didn't like even one thistle in "their" asparagus patch and
>didn't much care about my explanations that a few weeds were going to be
>part of an organic operation ... because they knew that "you could use a
>little squirt of that Ortho WeedBeGone to kill those things." You can be
>as judgmental as you want, but you just gotta smile and bear it when even
>your great aunt's friends tell you something like that.) Change in
>attitudes takes a long time ... but in the mean time, you gotta pay the
>bills.
>
>CSAs will not work here until the economy is more diversified and vibrant
>than it already is. Industry, commerce, and trade will need to raise the
>levels of economic affluence to the point where people can afford to be
>much more concerned and educated about issues like nutrition and
>environment. The point is to do what you can do to ensure that economic
>growth is done in an ecologically sustainable fashion. To do that, you
>need to work with what you have ... not with what you would like to have.
>
>Wes Jackson writes about becoming "native to this place." I think I am
>finally beginning to understand what that involves. It has very little to
>do with preachiness and ideology -- but it has a lot to do with principles
>and values and faith. Ideology is more about making excuses for failures
>and judging what others are doing (i.e., big supermarkets are evil, large
>farms are evil, the USDA is evil, global trade is evil). Principles,
>values, and faith are more about action, forgiveness, healing, and solutions.
>
>
>
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