Re: One size fits all NOT

sal (sals@rain.org)
Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:54:17 -0800

I would also like to add that if a small farmer is already jumping through
the hoop for a certifier he should not have to also pay and jump for the
state . It should be one or the other I don't care who certifies me I
just don't think both should do it . the state will just have to trust the
certifier as the certifier has his own hoops to jump through. not both
there is no reason to have both. If the state wants the name and
information they can get it from the certifier. No reason for the
certified farmer to pay both for the same darn thing.
thankyou. and I wish you guys would hurry up because I have been paying
both for 3 years now and it is wrong. We want to get those small folks that
have been organic to join with us . There are good organic certifiers
that only serve small farmers and if we don't do something to take the cost
burden off the small grower they will leave and the good organic certifier
will have to close down. Let us bring every up together big and small.

At 12:38 AM 10/29/97 -0500, Erorganic@aol.com wrote:
>I
>Hello Sal,
>
>Sounds to me like a constructive and valid idea, for small farms, small
>certifiers, small handling operations. We will have to define "small"
>because the Small Business Administration's definition is I believe less then
>$100,000,000 in sales for business. Absurd in light of petite organics. Let
>us compose the definition, for farms, certification agents (under
>accreditation, on site inspection is the term for inspection) and handling
>operations under $40,000 in gross sales. Such entities (Regulatory
>Flexibility Act language) must must be certified (or as applicable
>accredited) but not inspected except every 5th year. Along with the
>reduction in Federal Governmental monitoring, USDA/NOP should charge a lesser
>pro rated fee for those certifying agents certifying small farms or those
>certifiers that have less then $40,000 gross, thus balancing some of the
>efficiencies garnered by either a farm, handling operation or certifier
>becoming very large--over $40,000 in sales. I think we have found a
>direction to take the wave. All the language needs to be based on the
>Regulatory Flexibility Act so SBA can be the advocate in court for small
>organic entities. Now we have to clearly compose the proposal and move to
>inform others for their comments, culminating in the large scale public
>response during the comment period. I would encourage OFMA to join this
>effort and would support the same personally.
>
>Best regards, Eric Kindberg
>
>
>
>n a message dated 97-10-28 12:00:04 EST, sals@rain.org writes:
>
><< Subj: Re: One size fits all NOT
> Date: 97-10-28 12:00:04 EST
> From: sals@rain.org (sal)
> To: sals@rain.org (sal), Erorganic@aol.com, london@sunsite.unc.edu,
>sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu,
>organic-certification@listserv.oit.unc.edu, Sprinkraft@aol.com,
>wfof@ptel.net, richmo@indy.net, dhinds@ucol.mx
>
> ..Why not do for the small farmer what they may do for the small certifier.
> Let the small farmer after he goes through the transition period get
> certified every 5 years that will cut down on the inspection cost leave
> inspectors time to check out the big mix operations and it will also make
> sure the farmer understands the certifying rules . There is no need to tax
> these small growers out of business as we want even more small farm
> certified not less. There are more small farms now in Ca. and it is
> growing thanks to CSA and farmers markets and of course the organic
> movement. I say give the small grower of say $40000 in sells the same
> break we are hopefully giving the small certifier. The inspection every 5
> yr. plus paper work every year plus he has to follow all other rules should
> help more small growers be certified . I think the public will go for
> that. I don't mind being certified I just need to keep my cost down and
> this would be a big help. >>
>
>
>

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