Re: comments onUSDA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers

sal (sals@rain.org)
Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:29:08 -0700

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>From: sal <sals@rain.org>
>Subject: Re: comments onUSDA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers
> and handlers
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>>> He says there is are people
>>> selling organic that are lying. This may be true.
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>>There are even people selling truely organic lying.
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Sal said== I don't know what you mean by this . If you grow organic you
are not lying.
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>>But there is a constitutional issue here. No one - government
>>included, can rightfully appropriate the use a common word (like organic
>>or natural) in or out of commerce, nor mandate certification of a claim
>>that may well be true on it's own merit, just as buyers can not be
>>prohibited from buying only organic products certified by the ISIO (I
>>Swear It's Organic) organization instead of non-certified organic, if
>>that's what they choose to do.
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Sal said =Boy I hope you are right. But my experience is that the commerce
and buyers I deal with
>now want that organic regestration number to protect themselfs and even if
>they know you and you have been doing business for years with them you have
>to have the number. I checked and found it to be so even now before the
fed. law happens. . I
>wish the darn certifiers would have been able to agree so all this crap
>would not have to happen. All the people I have sold too trusted my
>certifier and I was a happy camper now it is getting nuts. It is funny now
>as an organic farmers I get an extra tax by the state and have to register
>like a sex offender and have no privacy rights like a convicted felon and I
>need to pay a third party to confirm my honesty and this is before the fed
>law comes in to play. It seem like if you play by the rules they sock it
to you and treat you like you were doing something wrong growing organic.
. The trouble is organic is now such
>big bussiness and means so much money to all these folks that the small
farmer can no longer play.

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>>The law can and should be tested in court once it's inacted and if
>>anyone really cares about this issue, they ought to set out to do that,
>>set up shop and drum up the support required to fight that effectively,
>>instead of just fiddling around on the internet through a couple of list
>>servers that most people don't read anyway - although those lists may
>>not be a bad place to start. (They're just a bad place to quit).
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Sal said . Let some one with some money test it. I have to follow this dam
law that is why I am talking so hard.


> >Where is government's faith in the market? Why is government messing
>>with what ain't broke, creating additional burocracies and a greater
>>burden on the tax payer, instead of going after the infractors?

Sal said how do the french say it (let business take care of business

>>Yeah, Sal doesn't lack arguments (maybe just guts) and spreads them too
>>thick, in the wrong places and with no real follow through. (Could it
>>be that he DOES actually have a hidden war plan? Stay tuned for the
>>next episode of Anger Man).

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Sal said : I think if the USDA tries to push irradiated and or , Lab made
genetically
>manipulated DNA food stuff on the organic folks it will be a good time to
>start some shit. Maybe dump some organic tea in the Santa Barbara harbor
for the national news or
>and put out a

Sal said === When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for
the organic
>growers to dissolve the political bands which have connected them to this
>word organic, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and
>equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
>a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
>declare the causes which impel them to the separation. etc.

will you sign
>it Douglas .

Sal : I wonder how many John Henrys I can get if the USDA tries to
>contaminate the Organic food with their Frankenstein or irradiated food
games. the righous will not want to even use the word organic any more if
that happens and that may be the time to strike. A lot of us never like
that name organic anyway and think we should have made up a different name
who would have thought they would steal our made up
name organic and tax us for using it. : >

> I heard that the USDA want to control the worlds food supply and thus
>control the world but first they need to control the organic movement.
turning them all into puppy shit .I hope that is not true but if it is we
have to be ready to seize the moment.

>>--
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>>Douglas M. Hinds, Director General
>>Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR)
>>(Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit)
>>Petronilo Lopez No. 73 (Street Address)
>>Apdo. Postal No. 61 (Mailing Address)
>>Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO
>>U.S. Voice Mailbox: 1 630 300 0550 (e-mail linked)
>>U.S. Fax Mailbox: 1 630 300 0555 (e-mail linked)
>>Tel. & Fax: 011 523 412 6308 (direct)
>>e-mail: cedecor@ipnet.com.mx, dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@.ucol.mx
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